Comments on: I couldn’t say it any better http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/ the mark cuban weblog Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:26:57 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: runescape money http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45645 runescape money Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:09 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45645 If rules aren't consistent they might as well take down the hoop and turn it into figure skating where the big names win on repuatation and "judgement" rather than playing the game on a level playing field with consistent rules. Under this system Dominique Wilkins would have ten titles and Larry Bird zero. If rules aren’t consistent they might as well take down the hoop and turn it into figure skating where the big names win on repuatation and “judgement” rather than playing the game on a level playing field with consistent rules. Under this system Dominique Wilkins would have ten titles and Larry Bird zero.

]]> By: wow powerleveling http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45646 wow powerleveling Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:09 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45646 I'm also beginning to think that they have separate rules for Olowokandi, too. Watching the TWolves series against the Lakers and the series against the Kings, Kandi would get called for a foul playing normal post defense. I’m also beginning to think that they have separate rules for Olowokandi, too. Watching the TWolves series against the Lakers and the series against the Kings, Kandi would get called for a foul playing normal post defense.

]]> By: Dan http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45614 Dan Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:06 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45614 Of course every person calls games differently, in every sport. The problem I have with all this is to me it sounds like constant crying about something he has no control over. Last night I watched the Stanley Cup and it was noted that TB was getting more penalties than Calgary was. The coach was barking at the officials left and right. That was the first period. What happened? TB won the game. They adjusted their style of play. To me to constantly point out referees, one especially, shows me that this is nothing more than a personal grudge, or a failure to admit that the team cannot adjust to the way the game is being called. Look, I am a Mavericks fan, and I do get upset when I think a call is unfair. But I do not sit there and constantly bark at all the officials for the entire game. If my team fails to adjust, and they lose. Then its on them and the coaches. Funny how there were no calls on Shaq being fouled but the Lakers still won the game. You take whats given to you and you work with it. All I really want is for Mark to have as much passion for building a real championship team, than he does for calling out the officiating. I remember the days of Donald Hodge and Mike Izzulino(sp). I do not want to go back to those anytime soon. Of course every person calls games differently, in every sport. The problem I have with all this is to me it sounds like constant crying about something he has no control over.
Last night I watched the Stanley Cup and it was noted that TB was getting more penalties than Calgary was. The coach was barking at the officials left and right. That was the first period.
What happened? TB won the game. They adjusted their style of play.

To me to constantly point out referees, one especially, shows me that this is nothing more than a personal grudge, or a failure to admit that the team cannot adjust to the way the game is being called.
Look, I am a Mavericks fan, and I do get upset when I think a call is unfair. But I do not sit there and constantly bark at all the officials for the entire game. If my team fails to adjust, and they lose. Then its on them and the coaches.
Funny how there were no calls on Shaq being fouled but the Lakers still won the game. You take whats given to you and you work with it.

All I really want is for Mark to have as much passion for building a real championship team, than he does for calling out the officiating.
I remember the days of Donald Hodge and Mike Izzulino(sp). I do not want to go back to those anytime soon.

]]> By: Nick Hodges http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45615 Nick Hodges Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:06 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45615 I'm watching last night. Hoiberg drives the lane. Shaq blocks his shot, but then procedes to /plow/ Hoiberg to the ground. He flattened him with a total body-to-body contact/tackle. Hoiberg is totalled. Laying on the deck. Replays clearly show that Shaq completely ran over the guy. Everyone can see this. No foul. The fix is in. I’m watching last night. Hoiberg drives the lane. Shaq blocks his shot, but then procedes to /plow/ Hoiberg to the ground. He flattened him with a total body-to-body contact/tackle. Hoiberg is totalled. Laying on the deck. Replays clearly show that Shaq completely ran over the guy. Everyone can see this.

No foul.

The fix is in.

]]> By: norm http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45616 norm Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:06 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45616 >First, Norm. That is a glib analysis with no >representation of fact. As opposed to all of the facts you listed in your response? > The truth is, whether you are an LA fan or a >Timberwolves fan, you want to see a game >officiated properly. Equate it to watching a >highschool game, when you think it must be >pure basketball. Clearly, in that light, the >past few games have not been pure. Have you ever played high school basketball? The game is certainly not pure at that level either. The officials have even less training and less accountability. I never claimed that the game is called purely. At this point, I'd be happy if it was at least consistently called poorly rather than called differenly at various points of the game and depending on the participant. > I tis easy to say "people see what they want" >But the begs the question, "What if they are >seeing what is there?" All I'm saying is if you only look at one side, you will only see that one side. There are certainly many cases where shaq turns into the defender and bowls them over and it is not called. However, there are also many cases in which shaq is repeatedly fouled before he even has a chance to bowl the other guy over. Mr Cuban seems to be to only one who did call it fairly. If the game was called the way the rules are written, shaq would go to the line many more times than he currently does. He would also foul out many more times than he does currently. Pointing out just the calls that didn't go for your team while ignoring the many calls that did go in your favor shows ignorance and blindness to reality. How's that for glib? ;) >First, Norm. That is a glib analysis with no >representation of fact.
As opposed to all of the facts you listed in your response?

> The truth is, whether you are an LA fan or a >Timberwolves fan, you want to see a game >officiated properly. Equate it to watching a >highschool game, when you think it must be >pure basketball. Clearly, in that light, the >past few games have not been pure.
Have you ever played high school basketball? The game is certainly not pure at that level either. The officials have even less training and less accountability. I never claimed that the game is called purely. At this point, I’d be happy if it was at least consistently called poorly rather than called differenly at various points of the game and depending on the participant.

> I tis easy to say “people see what they want” >But the begs the question, “What if they are >seeing what is there?”
All I’m saying is if you only look at one side, you will only see that one side. There are certainly many cases where shaq turns into the defender and bowls them over and it is not called. However, there are also many cases in which shaq is repeatedly fouled before he even has a chance to bowl the other guy over.

Mr Cuban seems to be to only one who did call it fairly. If the game was called the way the rules are written, shaq would go to the line many more times than he currently does. He would also foul out many more times than he does currently.

Pointing out just the calls that didn’t go for your team while ignoring the many calls that did go in your favor shows ignorance and blindness to reality.

How’s that for glib? ;)

]]> By: JP http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45617 JP Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:06 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45617 I saw that too and thought the exact same thing. The only thing I don't understand that if the fix really is in, how is having a superstar that's about to withstand a rape trial on your league's championship team a good thing for the NBA? I saw that too and thought the exact same thing. The only thing I don’t understand that if the fix really is in, how is having a superstar that’s about to withstand a rape trial on your league’s championship team a good thing for the NBA?

]]> By: Joshua Page http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45618 Joshua Page Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:06 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45618 yes, I did play highschool basketball. Good response, except for not adressing anything I said, beyond using a tu quoque fallacy. In addition "all I am saying is if you look at one side, you will only see that one side" is, again, glib at best. You are first assuming that is what everyone complaining is doing (or at elast asserting that-falsely), and secondly characetrizing it as false. Again, it could be that people are looking at this, and seeing it for what it is, and YOU are the one focusing on the other side (or playing Devil's advocate, perhaps) As for Dan, I am sorry, I misread your comments. I thought you were saying virtually the same thing. But I agree, even with poor officiating, the players should adjust. However, is there a time when officiating becomes so insurmountable as to turn the tides of the game? And is that happening/has that happened in the Lakers Wolves series? yes, I did play highschool basketball. Good response, except for not adressing anything I said, beyond using a tu quoque fallacy.

In addition “all I am saying is if you look at one side, you will only see that one side” is, again, glib at best. You are first assuming that is what everyone complaining is doing (or at elast asserting that-falsely), and secondly characetrizing it as false. Again, it could be that people are looking at this, and seeing it for what it is, and YOU are the one focusing on the other side (or playing Devil’s advocate, perhaps)

As for Dan, I am sorry, I misread your comments. I thought you were saying virtually the same thing. But I agree, even with poor officiating, the players should adjust. However, is there a time when officiating becomes so insurmountable as to turn the tides of the game? And is that happening/has that happened in the Lakers Wolves series?

]]> By: Steve http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45619 Steve Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:06 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45619 Straight from ESPN.com "Shaq had yet another strong game on the boards, bullying the Timberwolves big men underneath. The officials ignored Flip Saunders' pleas for more fouls - and though it left Garnett and Saunders steamed, Shaq was in his element. I'm the NBA's best player O'Neal said. It's clear because I'm playing football out there." The last time i checked this was basketball not football. If O'Neal is out there tackling people then why isn't he getting fouls called on him. He said it himself, he's playing football. Straight from ESPN.com “Shaq had yet another strong game on the boards, bullying the Timberwolves big men underneath. The officials ignored Flip Saunders’ pleas for more fouls – and though it left Garnett and Saunders steamed, Shaq was in his element. I’m the NBA’s best player O’Neal said. It’s clear because I’m playing football out there.” The last time i checked this was basketball not football. If O’Neal is out there tackling people then why isn’t he getting fouls called on him. He said it himself, he’s playing football.

]]> By: Mark http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45620 Mark Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:06 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45620 There are two things at work here. First, it is obvious that officiating theory has gone out of control. You cannot blame one person, or one official. It is a culture now that teaches officials to call advantage/disadvantage and to try to achieve consistency by understanding what their partners have been calling on the floor. This system is what was addressed in the blog entry "Is it Cheating?". Second is about adjustments. The Lakers are masters at this. They know that players will be allowed to be more physical on defense in the playoffs and they take full advantage. See Rick Fox in 2002 and Karl Malone in 2004 as perfect examples. They use hands, arms, bodies to keep the player they are guarding from going towards the basket. They know they can get away with it. Look at when they complain. It is when they are called for something that they had been doing all game long. A few years ago when Mark got fined so much, I wrote him that they should start a game against the Lakers with Dirk going strong at the basket. If there was a charge called, then that would establish that call early in the game and Shaq might get called for the same thing. His comment was that it is manipulating the game. In a pure sense, maybe it is. But in the current culture, the more aggressive team seems to get more concessions. Finally, on the Hoiberg play. If the officials think Shaq got the ball first, 99.9% of the time they will ignore whatever contact occurred. Again theory, which I learned firsthand a few years ago. I was officiating a game in a camp with an NBA observer. A current NBA player had a breakaway and he clearly traveled prior to a monster dunk. I called the travel and the comment afterwards was "do you think the people up there came to see you?". Not whether the call was right, but to preserve the spectacular. It's a culture that has gotten out of control and the only way back is to enforce the rules as written and be willing to go through the rough period as the players adjust and have to listen to the whistle keep blowing. Once that happens, you will see a beautiful, graceful game played in an open court with spectacular plays, and not a game ruled by the most muscular. There are two things at work here. First, it is obvious that officiating theory has gone out of control. You cannot blame one person, or one official. It is a culture now that teaches officials to call advantage/disadvantage and to try to achieve consistency by understanding what their partners have been calling on the floor. This system is what was addressed in the blog entry “Is it Cheating?”. Second is about adjustments. The Lakers are masters at this. They know that players will be allowed to be more physical on defense in the playoffs and they take full advantage. See Rick Fox in 2002 and Karl Malone in 2004 as perfect examples. They use hands, arms, bodies to keep the player they are guarding from going towards the basket. They know they can get away with it. Look at when they complain. It is when they are called for something that they had been doing all game long. A few years ago when Mark got fined so much, I wrote him that they should start a game against the Lakers with Dirk going strong at the basket. If there was a charge called, then that would establish that call early in the game and Shaq might get called for the same thing. His comment was that it is manipulating the game. In a pure sense, maybe it is. But in the current culture, the more aggressive team seems to get more concessions. Finally, on the Hoiberg play. If the officials think Shaq got the ball first, 99.9% of the time they will ignore whatever contact occurred. Again theory, which I learned firsthand a few years ago. I was officiating a game in a camp with an NBA observer. A current NBA player had a breakaway and he clearly traveled prior to a monster dunk. I called the travel and the comment afterwards was “do you think the people up there came to see you?”. Not whether the call was right, but to preserve the spectacular. It’s a culture that has gotten out of control and the only way back is to enforce the rules as written and be willing to go through the rough period as the players adjust and have to listen to the whistle keep blowing. Once that happens, you will see a beautiful, graceful game played in an open court with spectacular plays, and not a game ruled by the most muscular.

]]> By: Burgs http://blogmaverick.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45621 Burgs Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:06 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2004/05/27/i-couldnt-say-it-any-better-3/#comment-45621 "All I'm saying is if you only look at one side, you will only see that one side. There are certainly many cases where shaq turns into the defender and bowls them over and it is not called. However, there are also many cases in which shaq is repeatedly fouled before he even has a chance to bowl the other guy over."-Norm Couldn't have said it better myself. People are so closed minded its crazy. Being a Lakers fan I would say the officials are trying to get the T-Wolfs to win and not the other way around. (For example them being tech happy when the game was close.) But I am realistic enough to realize that I watch the game differently than Laker haters who bitch about the league being fixed instead of giving credit for their greatness. And for you morons who think O'Neal fouled Hoiberg, look again, Shaq went straight up and down, which he is allowed to do, and Hoiberg simply hit the wall. O and Joshua Page, you are an idiot. “All I’m saying is if you only look at one side, you will only see that one side. There are certainly many cases where shaq turns into the defender and bowls them over and it is not called. However, there are also many cases in which shaq is repeatedly fouled before he even has a chance to bowl the other guy over.”-Norm

Couldn’t have said it better myself. People are so closed minded its crazy. Being a Lakers fan I would say the officials are trying to get the T-Wolfs to win and not the other way around. (For example them being tech happy when the game was close.) But I am realistic enough to realize that I watch the game differently than Laker haters who bitch about the league being fixed instead of giving credit for their greatness. And for you morons who think O’Neal fouled Hoiberg, look again, Shaq went straight up and down, which he is allowed to do, and Hoiberg simply hit the wall. O and Joshua Page, you are an idiot.

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