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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Believe me, the concept of having movies or music released on SD/compact flash format was a vision I had back a few years back when I paid 80 bucks for a 64MB card and was thrilled at this idea from a size standpoint. DVD cases simply are starting to eat up shelf space. Currently, the SD card now sits at 2+ GIG and the compact flash at 8GIG, but with the inception of high-definition and the storage amounts it would take, I just don&#039;t see it happening. I&#039;d say we&#039;ll be moving onto an uncompressed definition before long and these cards are just not keeping pace. They&#039;re just now getting to dual layer DVD size which is already been overshadowed by blu-ray.And blu-ray has already been waaaaay overshadowed by this: http://www.physorg.com/preview785.html1 terabyte discs, guys? This guy has been in development for awhile, I remember reading about the &quot;Collosal&quot; company a few years ago.(calling the format FMD-ROM at the time)He&#039;s got -&gt;100&lt;- terabytes on a 3.5 inch disc - RIGHT NOW!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe me, the concept of having movies or music released on SD/compact flash format was a vision I had back a few years back when I paid 80 bucks for a 64MB card and was thrilled at this idea from a size standpoint. DVD cases simply are starting to eat up shelf space. Currently, the SD card now sits at 2+ GIG and the compact flash at 8GIG, but with the inception of high-definition and the storage amounts it would take, I just don&#8217;t see it happening. I&#8217;d say we&#8217;ll be moving onto an uncompressed definition before long and these cards are just not keeping pace. They&#8217;re just now getting to dual layer DVD size which is already been overshadowed by blu-ray.</p>
<p>And blu-ray has already been waaaaay overshadowed by this: <a href="http://www.physorg.com/preview785.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/preview785.html</a></p>
<p>1 terabyte discs, guys? This guy has been in development for awhile, I remember reading about the &#8220;Collosal&#8221; company a few years ago.(calling the format FMD-ROM at the time)<br />
He&#8217;s got ->100<- terabytes on a 3.5 inch disc &#8211; RIGHT NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: tezz</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A name is called &quot;Price and Spec.&quot; It aims at conveying price information of a broad digitalelectronic product, and specification including the DVD recorder of a former sharp company.Please give me access in detail at the following.Sharp, world&#039;s first HDD&amp;DVD-R / RW drive loading Blu-Ray recorder]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A name is called &#8220;Price and Spec.&#8221; It aims at conveying price information of a broad digital<br />
electronic product, and specification including the DVD recorder of a former sharp company.<br />
Please give me access in detail at the following.<br />
Sharp, world&#8217;s first HDD&#038;DVD-R / RW drive loading Blu-Ray recorder</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HD-VODWill the bandwidth of current DSL, Cable, etc. become larger to support HD-VOD - yes, the real answer is when, not just for a select few but for main stream america, at a cost that is affordable. Sure I could have an OC3 or OC12 line connected but unless I own the mavericks or some other large sport franchise, I surely can&#039;t afford itEventually the technology will become cheap enough for all the baby bells to offer itbut one of the caveats will be who pay&#039;s to store the content, sure storage prices are decreasing but the size of the server farms that are required for HD-VOD content along with the maintenance of it will be enormous.but in all, High Definition sets need to break $500 barrier for HD to truly take off.Regular VODCurrently my local cable station is providing VOD (via a service called iControl) and not just a little bit of content but a variety of movies from Premium Channels (HBO, Cinemax, etc), along with other cable channels. They don&#039;t require me to wait 15 minutes but almost instantly appear with features of pausing, rewind and fast forward. At first I thought this was a great feature but then it turned more into a fad, sure there was a couple of things I watched but in the end it was just there. Would it had made a difference if it was in High Def. - NO. It really was that even with the variety of content there wasn&#039;t anything that I really cared to see.Sure I could of paid a few more bucks to get some more iControl channels but then Blockbuster Video came out with their new NetFlix like rental system so I cancelled the VOD capabilites and used the money for the Blockbuster service.I used to use NetFlix but with the same feature&#039;s now at a brick and mortar store BlockBuster. I am capable of catching about 2-3 as many movie&#039;s as before with netflix, plus if I end up getting a bad movie that I didn&#039;t care after watching it, it just means a 5 minute trip down the street.DVRsince recently moving and utilizing a DVR from my local cable provider, for me this has become god send (since I supervise a 2nd shift). But ultimately I can see DVR turning more into a HOST and SLAVE functionality. where there is one central device (slave) that records all content that the different HOST in the house have asked to be recorded. But there&#039;s only one problem with this. There never is enough disk space. Sure you can buy more storage, but where does it end.My advice, let the cable companies control the slaves, this way instead of being able to record 1 or 2 shows at a time you could record say 1-10 shows at a time with complete DVR capabilities.BUT - let&#039;s make this even sweeter by making the host cable box with the ability of recording your show&#039;s off to a DVD, for offline viewing (computer, friends house, etc), hell you could even have it save the contents like mark was talking about to a USB Drive.As for copy protection - just embed the cable customer account info. in the stream that gets recorded - this way if it ever shows up on the net you know where to go - This is what they did for the movie&#039;s that we&#039;re being nominated for an Oscar, so when the movie showed up on the net, a couple of black and white&#039;s showed up the would be person that placed the movie on the net.Damn with this type of setup it would even be possible to have show&#039;s record by your cable company and you could watch on the road via the net. (depending upon the quality desired and bandwidth available)this cable HOST-SLAVE option has many avenues not only for the consumer but for different business offerings that cable companies haven&#039;t thought of yet.Hey if you take this idea - at least give me some credit and a few bones wouldn&#039;t be bad either. (plus I left a few things out)PIRACYLike it or not movie piracy is here to stay, first there was software then music or that could be music, software, movies (if you count 8-track or audio tapes). Personally I have had a friend give me a bootleg movie that was downloaded via the net. After watching it I wish I didn&#039;t. Not because I feel that actors and movie studios don&#039;t make enough money, but the quality was horrible. From the sound to the video. For me watching a movie is more of a experience (7.1 surround sound system, big screen TV, Tactile Transducers in the couch (sweet, but I&#039;m sure nothing like what Mark may have)).These are the things that movie industry&#039;s need to focus on to change the perspective of your average john doe on why not to download movies. - QUALITY (sound and video) -, Plus with blockbuster and netflix unlimited rental program - COST -, without having to find a movie via the P2P then downloading it which could take hours/days - CONVENIENCE -I believe the RIAA is finally starting to learn this via what apple has done with iTunes - sure mp3 will always be copied but once you start using iTunes the only time user&#039;s turn to P2P are for things that may not be available.QUALITY - COST - CONVENIENCEkwik67@sbcglobal.net]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HD-VOD</p>
<p>Will the bandwidth of current DSL, Cable, etc. become larger to support HD-VOD &#8211; yes, the real answer is when, not just for a select few but for main stream america, at a cost that is affordable. </p>
<p>Sure I could have an OC3 or OC12 line connected but unless I own the mavericks or some other large sport franchise, I surely can&#8217;t afford it</p>
<p>Eventually the technology will become cheap enough for all the baby bells to offer it</p>
<p>but one of the caveats will be who pay&#8217;s to store the content, sure storage prices are decreasing but the size of the server farms that are required for HD-VOD content along with the maintenance of it will be enormous.</p>
<p>but in all, High Definition sets need to break $500 barrier for HD to truly take off.</p>
<p>Regular VOD</p>
<p>Currently my local cable station is providing VOD (via a service called iControl) and not just a little bit of content but a variety of movies from Premium Channels (HBO, Cinemax, etc), along with other cable channels. They don&#8217;t require me to wait 15 minutes but almost instantly appear with features of pausing, rewind and fast forward. At first I thought this was a great feature but then it turned more into a fad, sure there was a couple of things I watched but in the end it was just there. Would it had made a difference if it was in High Def. &#8211; NO. It really was that even with the variety of content there wasn&#8217;t anything that I really cared to see.<br />
Sure I could of paid a few more bucks to get some more iControl channels but then Blockbuster Video came out with their new NetFlix like rental system so I cancelled the VOD capabilites and used the money for the Blockbuster service.</p>
<p>I used to use NetFlix but with the same feature&#8217;s now at a brick and mortar store BlockBuster. I am capable of catching about 2-3 as many movie&#8217;s as before with netflix, plus if I end up getting a bad movie that I didn&#8217;t care after watching it, it just means a 5 minute trip down the street.</p>
<p>DVR</p>
<p>since recently moving and utilizing a DVR from my local cable provider, for me this has become god send (since I supervise a 2nd shift). But ultimately I can see DVR turning more into a HOST and SLAVE functionality. where there is one central device (slave) that records all content that the different HOST in the house have asked to be recorded. But there&#8217;s only one problem with this. There never is enough disk space.<br />
Sure you can buy more storage, but where does it end.</p>
<p>My advice, let the cable companies control the slaves, this way instead of being able to record 1 or 2 shows at a time you could record say 1-10 shows at a time with complete DVR capabilities.<br />
BUT &#8211; let&#8217;s make this even sweeter by making the host cable box with the ability of recording your show&#8217;s off to a DVD, for offline viewing (computer, friends house, etc), hell you could even have it save the contents like mark was talking about to a USB Drive.<br />
As for copy protection &#8211; just embed the cable customer account info. in the stream that gets recorded &#8211; this way if it ever shows up on the net you know where to go &#8211; This is what they did for the movie&#8217;s that we&#8217;re being nominated for an Oscar, so when the movie showed up on the net, a couple of black and white&#8217;s showed up the would be person that placed the movie on the net.<br />
Damn with this type of setup it would even be possible to have show&#8217;s record by your cable company and you could watch on the road via the net. (depending upon the quality desired and bandwidth available)</p>
<p>this cable HOST-SLAVE option has many avenues not only for the consumer but for different business offerings that cable companies haven&#8217;t thought of yet.<br />
Hey if you take this idea &#8211; at least give me some credit and a few bones wouldn&#8217;t be bad either. (plus I left a few things out)</p>
<p>PIRACY</p>
<p>Like it or not movie piracy is here to stay, first there was software then music or that could be music, software, movies (if you count 8-track or audio tapes). Personally I have had a friend give me a bootleg movie that was downloaded via the net. After watching it I wish I didn&#8217;t. Not because I feel that actors and movie studios don&#8217;t make enough money, but the quality was horrible. From the sound to the video. For me watching a movie is more of a experience (7.1 surround sound system, big screen TV, Tactile Transducers in the couch (sweet, but I&#8217;m sure nothing like what Mark may have)).</p>
<p>These are the things that movie industry&#8217;s need to focus on to change the perspective of your average john doe on why not to download movies. &#8211; QUALITY (sound and video) -, Plus with blockbuster and netflix unlimited rental program &#8211; COST -, without having to find a movie via the P2P then downloading it which could take hours/days &#8211; CONVENIENCE -</p>
<p>I believe the RIAA is finally starting to learn this via what apple has done with iTunes &#8211; sure mp3 will always be copied but once you start using iTunes the only time user&#8217;s turn to P2P are for things that may not be available.</p>
<p>QUALITY &#8211; COST &#8211; CONVENIENCE</p>
<p><a href="mailto:kwik67@sbcglobal.net">kwik67@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shawn M. W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn M. W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One other person, that I could tell, mentioned the upcoming HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc) format, which has a 1 TB target density.Given it is the same size as CDs and DVDs, I think much of the non-tech-ish public will go for them before they will go for other more abstract concepts. Getting my dad to understand terms like &quot;need more bandwidth&quot; is much more difficult than &quot;stick disc in player&quot;, which he is presently very comfortable with. You say the word &quot;bandwidth&quot; around him and he&#039;s calling me, because he&#039;s thinking &quot;that sounds like a computer problem.&quot;Not sure if the previous HVD referrer noted the manufacturer article or not, but here it is: http://www.optware.co.jp/english/what_040823.htmAddendum: Re-reading the previous posts I see that someone has, in fact, already posted the above link. So I am somewhat redundant. My apologies. But I&#039;ve already done all this typing so... it stays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other person, that I could tell, mentioned the upcoming HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc) format, which has a 1 TB target density.</p>
<p>Given it is the same size as CDs and DVDs, I think much of the non-tech-ish public will go for them before they will go for other more abstract concepts. Getting my dad to understand terms like &#8220;need more bandwidth&#8221; is much more difficult than &#8220;stick disc in player&#8221;, which he is presently very comfortable with. You say the word &#8220;bandwidth&#8221; around him and he&#8217;s calling me, because he&#8217;s thinking &#8220;that sounds like a computer problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure if the previous HVD referrer noted the manufacturer article or not, but here it is:<br />
<a href="http://www.optware.co.jp/english/what_040823.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.optware.co.jp/english/what_040823.htm</a></p>
<p>Addendum: Re-reading the previous posts I see that someone has, in fact, already posted the above link. So I am somewhat redundant. My apologies. But I&#8217;ve already done all this typing so&#8230; it stays.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, quick derailing and potentially repetitive question, but oh well its my first time here: (exhale)What HD TVs do you own and prefer?(I am assuming you own many and they are probably out of my price range but can&#039;t hurt to ask)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, quick derailing and potentially repetitive question, but oh well its my first time here: (exhale)</p>
<p>What HD TVs do you own and prefer?</p>
<p>(I am assuming you own many and they are probably out of my price range but can&#8217;t hurt to ask)</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Clarkson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Clarkson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the person who first responded. This will not kill piracy, only help it. Currently you can download a movie of resonable quality, a DVD rip, at about 700mb. Even if you switch to HD people will develop ways to compress that footage. The only difference is the authors of such software may have to develop a way to reduce the definition and quality back to the standards we know today.And your Kiosk idea sounds great, if you are one of the few people on the planet with the cash. This idea completely stinks for the little guy. And the people who have no idea how to use this technology get completely left out in the cold, most DVD users like the fact that they merely have to insert the disk and play, not have to mess around with licenses and codecs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the person who first responded. This will not kill piracy, only help it. Currently you can download a movie of resonable quality, a DVD rip, at about 700mb. Even if you switch to HD people will develop ways to compress that footage. The only difference is the authors of such software may have to develop a way to reduce the definition and quality back to the standards we know today.</p>
<p>And your Kiosk idea sounds great, if you are one of the few people on the planet with the cash. This idea completely stinks for the little guy. And the people who have no idea how to use this technology get completely left out in the cold, most DVD users like the fact that they merely have to insert the disk and play, not have to mess around with licenses and codecs.</p>
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		<title>By: mike schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike schneider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the Cable TV pipe as the preferred medium for distributing very HD content? Does today&#039;s upgraded Digital cable pipe offer the raw bandwidth to carry this type of download?Or would they need to go through another entire cable upgrade cycle to handle the demands of HD distribution traffic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Cable TV pipe as the preferred medium for distributing very HD content? Does today&#8217;s upgraded Digital cable pipe offer the raw bandwidth to carry this type of download?<br />
Or would they need to go through another entire cable upgrade cycle to handle the demands of HD distribution traffic?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just amazes me how quickly &quot;new&quot; technologies become obsolete - it creates cycle upon cycle of upgrading your entertainment hardware and media collections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just amazes me how quickly &#8220;new&#8221; technologies become obsolete &#8211; it creates cycle upon cycle of upgrading your entertainment hardware and media collections.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clinton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, You make an excellent point about the industry players fighting for control over the next standard.   As a previous poster mentioned, content always wins, and we&#039;re unlikely to care about the particular storage format.  Convenience and to some extent quality will also be important, though historically super-high quality hasn&#039;t been important.  (eg: jpeg is good enough for most things) You talk about a few different storage channels, but dismiss a wire pretty quick.  How long does it take you to drive down to the video store/supermarket/etc?   If I can start streaming a movie almost immediately, I&#039;m happy for it to be in a reasonable 8Mbps compressed format... My TV isn&#039;t that great...Wires aren&#039;t good for massive amounts of data; but consumers might not even want high quality if it means convenience, low cost, and availability right now. -cje-]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>You make an excellent point about the industry players fighting for control over the next standard.   As a previous poster mentioned, content always wins, and we&#8217;re unlikely to care about the particular storage format.  Convenience and to some extent quality will also be important, though historically super-high quality hasn&#8217;t been important.  (eg: jpeg is good enough for most things) </p>
<p>You talk about a few different storage channels, but dismiss a wire pretty quick.  How long does it take you to drive down to the video store/supermarket/etc?   If I can start streaming a movie almost immediately, I&#8217;m happy for it to be in a reasonable 8Mbps compressed format&#8230; My TV isn&#8217;t that great&#8230;</p>
<p>Wires aren&#8217;t good for massive amounts of data; but consumers might not even want high quality if it means convenience, low cost, and availability right now. </p>
<p>-cje-</p>
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		<title>By: Simants</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simants]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe a bit presumptious to compare this to Christopher Columbus....but the point is that we have to push the envelope of the known and delve into the unknown. The idea of HD content on a harddrive or USB drive is exciting, however the harddrives could be costly and the USB can be choppy.  But heh, does anyone remember Nintendo?  Take a cheapflash drive stick a movie on it encase it in a thin &quot;candy&quot; shell with a lovely picture and voila!  You can make blank cards to record movies onto or whatever, if your looking for reusable storage. Also it would be more durable than those darn plastic discs that always scratch.  Heck you&#039;d open a whole new market for players that could run on the size of a handheld device and even link to your TV.  You&#039;d still face the same piracy concerns, however with the way technology progresses then &quot;other side&quot; progresses too!  Maybe a &quot;DRM type&quot; solution could be applied.  Either way, Mark, your idea is great in that in tests the boundaries of &quot;current&quot; thought, which is always the catalyst of the next &quot;best thing&quot;! If man got discouraged of all the nay sayers then we&#039;d still think the Earth is flat!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a bit presumptious to compare this to Christopher Columbus&#8230;.but the point is that we have to push the envelope of the known and delve into the unknown. The idea of HD content on a harddrive or USB drive is exciting, however the harddrives could be costly and the USB can be choppy.  But heh, does anyone remember Nintendo?  Take a cheapflash drive stick a movie on it encase it in a thin &#8220;candy&#8221; shell with a lovely picture and voila!  You can make blank cards to record movies onto or whatever, if your looking for reusable storage. Also it would be more durable than those darn plastic discs that always scratch.  Heck you&#8217;d open a whole new market for players that could run on the size of a handheld device and even link to your TV.  You&#8217;d still face the same piracy concerns, however with the way technology progresses then &#8220;other side&#8221; progresses too!  Maybe a &#8220;DRM type&#8221; solution could be applied.  Either way, Mark, your idea is great in that in tests the boundaries of &#8220;current&#8221; thought, which is always the catalyst of the next &#8220;best thing&#8221;! If man got discouraged of all the nay sayers then we&#8217;d still think the Earth is flat!</p>
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