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	<title>Comments on: MGM Grokster Thoughts Part 2 &#8211; Tech, SCUSA &amp; Rock n Roll</title>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well after getting contacted by the record companies lawyers and having to shell out $3500 for a whole 80&#039;s and hip hop collection I stil say it was worth every dollar. P2P software doesn&#039;t affect the record industry. I wouldn&#039;t go out and buy some of the songs I downloaded but me sharing it with others who may have never heard or forgot the song might get people interested in an artist again. The whole rewason this 80&#039;s nostaglia is back is because people started downloading the music. I&#039;m suprised the record companies didn&#039;t bring a lawsuit against me because back in &#039;86 I taped 6 songs of the radio and shared with my friends.. They make me sick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well after getting contacted by the record companies lawyers and having to shell out $3500 for a whole 80&#8217;s and hip hop collection I stil say it was worth every dollar. P2P software doesn&#8217;t affect the record industry. I wouldn&#8217;t go out and buy some of the songs I downloaded but me sharing it with others who may have never heard or forgot the song might get people interested in an artist again. The whole rewason this 80&#8217;s nostaglia is back is because people started downloading the music. I&#8217;m suprised the record companies didn&#8217;t bring a lawsuit against me because back in &#8216;86 I taped 6 songs of the radio and shared with my friends.. They make me sick!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Coday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Coday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience is that anytime something is FREE or requires a small one time payment, you are bound to be infected with Malware or Spyware.I don&#039;t see how a good P2P service could be offered without spending good money to be sure you get good quality.  Nobody does anything for free... pay a monthly fee (to cover royalties and maint) or get your computer infected with money-making ads.  Otherwise, you would have to only be hooked up with peers who are honest and trustworthy.  Is that even possible.  Additionally, what&#039;s the chance that your &quot;peer&quot; won&#039;t have what you are looking for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience is that anytime something is FREE or requires a small one time payment, you are bound to be infected with Malware or Spyware.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how a good P2P service could be offered without spending good money to be sure you get good quality.  Nobody does anything for free&#8230; pay a monthly fee (to cover royalties and maint) or get your computer infected with money-making ads.  Otherwise, you would have to only be hooked up with peers who are honest and trustworthy.  Is that even possible.  Additionally, what&#8217;s the chance that your &#8220;peer&#8221; won&#8217;t have what you are looking for?</p>
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		<title>By: R. Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this was one of the better articles I&#039;ve read about P2P.  Here&#039;s the thing that the music and movie industry don&#039;t understand.  While not everyone was around or knew about P2P, it&#039;s not a recent &quot;problem.&quot;  I mean, this started with IRC as far back as 1995 maybe earlier.  Things have only evolved since IRC, like Napster, Kazaa, Grokster, etc.The programming gets smarter, the in-groups get smaller, and the product gets better.  I personally went through problems like this with an MMORPG company, we continued to change our programming to sidestep them until they gave up.  Eventually they&#039;ll give up or the sharing will just go underground again, either way it&#039;s never going to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this was one of the better articles I&#8217;ve read about P2P.  Here&#8217;s the thing that the music and movie industry don&#8217;t understand.  While not everyone was around or knew about P2P, it&#8217;s not a recent &#8220;problem.&#8221;  I mean, this started with IRC as far back as 1995 maybe earlier.  Things have only evolved since IRC, like Napster, Kazaa, Grokster, etc.</p>
<p>The programming gets smarter, the in-groups get smaller, and the product gets better.  I personally went through problems like this with an MMORPG company, we continued to change our programming to sidestep them until they gave up.  Eventually they&#8217;ll give up or the sharing will just go underground again, either way it&#8217;s never going to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: PSC</title>
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		<dc:creator>PSC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.publicknowledge.org/issues/s2560Quick article that shows a larger impact of the over-ruling.</description>
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<p>Quick article that shows a larger impact of the over-ruling.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading some of the briefs filed for the plaintiffs in Grokster v MGM,I was shocked when I came across a brief filed on behalf on various musicians.Among those listed were members of ?The Dead?. The hypocrisy is ironic. ?The Dead? encouraged people to record their shows. ?Dead? bootlegs became a cottage industry.The ?boots? were usually poor in quality but outstanding in content. I couldn?t help laugh at the closing line of the brief. I paraphrase ?By allowing this to continue it is similar to making drugs legal to sell but illegal to use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading some of the briefs filed for the plaintiffs in Grokster v MGM,<br />
I was shocked when I came across a brief filed on behalf on various musicians.<br />
Among those listed were members of ?The Dead?. The hypocrisy is ironic. ?The Dead? encouraged people to record their shows. ?Dead? bootlegs became a cottage industry.<br />
The ?boots? were usually poor in quality but outstanding in content. I couldn?t help laugh at the closing line of the brief. I paraphrase ?By allowing this to continue it is similar to making drugs legal to sell but illegal to use?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s today. Killing the golden goose of progress is what scares me more than anything about all of this P2P hating.&quot;Sorry Mark, I respect your point of view but think you&#039;re way off base on this one.  No one is killing the Golden Goose.  The rightful owners of the content simply want it protected and paid for.  Legal P2Ps are slowly starting to develop and eventually a robust digital distribution system will be in place.  In the meantime, thank god for Overpeer and Loudeye.But, if you&#039;re really on the side of the those who steal and hide behind the argument that it&#039;s just fine because those mean old labels make so much money, I&#039;m sure won&#039;t press charges if I sneak into the AAC and enjoy a nice platinum level seat for free.  Or maybe I could come sit by you and we could discuss intangible property rights.  Heck I&#039;ll even by you a pretzel.Bottom line, for those artists like Jeff Tweedy who don&#039;t mind there songs distributed for free, great and they should go right ahead.  For those artists who want to distribute for free to gain exposure, power on.  But for those who want to receive payment, they should not be at the mercy of genius crackers who smash through DRMs and distribute there product for free.Now, back to my paid for MusicMatch OnDemand service for some legal digital music.Nice win over Sactown tonight by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s today. Killing the golden goose of progress is what scares me more than anything about all of this P2P hating.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry Mark, I respect your point of view but think you&#8217;re way off base on this one.  No one is killing the Golden Goose.  The rightful owners of the content simply want it protected and paid for.  Legal P2Ps are slowly starting to develop and eventually a robust digital distribution system will be in place.  In the meantime, thank god for Overpeer and Loudeye.</p>
<p>But, if you&#8217;re really on the side of the those who steal and hide behind the argument that it&#8217;s just fine because those mean old labels make so much money, I&#8217;m sure won&#8217;t press charges if I sneak into the AAC and enjoy a nice platinum level seat for free.  Or maybe I could come sit by you and we could discuss intangible property rights.  Heck I&#8217;ll even by you a pretzel.</p>
<p>Bottom line, for those artists like Jeff Tweedy who don&#8217;t mind there songs distributed for free, great and they should go right ahead.  For those artists who want to distribute for free to gain exposure, power on.  But for those who want to receive payment, they should not be at the mercy of genius crackers who smash through DRMs and distribute there product for free.</p>
<p>Now, back to my paid for MusicMatch OnDemand service for some legal digital music.</p>
<p>Nice win over Sactown tonight by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmakin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think that the movie companies have their knickers in a bunch over well..nothing. They have friends at the RIAA who say that P2P will the be the end of them, yadda yadda yadda.The movie companies already have a good business model. Movie receipts are through the roof, and  DVD sales are insane. They provide tons of bonus features, and that attracts consumers like moths to a flame. Most downloading, to be honest, is of new release films that people would buy or rent on DVD if they could, but they&#039;re not released yet....The theatre experience is unique enough. They don&#039;t have to worry a bit about this in the future. Really.The RIAA&#039;s problems are much more vast. Because of the lower overhead in making music, what the RIAA are trying to do is limit the promotion angles. They control most of the airwaves, with all the radio media consolodation. P2P isn&#039;t competition for record sales. It&#039;s competition for promotion. The RIAAs big concern is that the next big thing will say that they don&#039;t need the big labels for anything, and they&#039;ll self-publish. That will encourage more people to self-publish, then you end up with a musical community that is flourishing through the internet, and the labels are shut out. That&#039;s their big worry, and why they&#039;re so big on shutting down P2P.That said however, about the overhead, I&#039;m getting ready to shoot a no-budget horror movie some time in May. So it IS possible for the MPAA to be screwed by the promotion game...Just not as likely I guess because the major labels still make and distribute good movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think that the movie companies have their knickers in a bunch over well..nothing. They have friends at the RIAA who say that P2P will the be the end of them, yadda yadda yadda.</p>
<p>The movie companies already have a good business model. Movie receipts are through the roof, and  DVD sales are insane. They provide tons of bonus features, and that attracts consumers like moths to a flame. Most downloading, to be honest, is of new release films that people would buy or rent on DVD if they could, but they&#8217;re not released yet&#8230;.</p>
<p>The theatre experience is unique enough. They don&#8217;t have to worry a bit about this in the future. Really.</p>
<p>The RIAA&#8217;s problems are much more vast. Because of the lower overhead in making music, what the RIAA are trying to do is limit the promotion angles. They control most of the airwaves, with all the radio media consolodation. P2P isn&#8217;t competition for record sales. It&#8217;s competition for promotion. The RIAAs big concern is that the next big thing will say that they don&#8217;t need the big labels for anything, and they&#8217;ll self-publish. That will encourage more people to self-publish, then you end up with a musical community that is flourishing through the internet, and the labels are shut out. That&#8217;s their big worry, and why they&#8217;re so big on shutting down P2P.</p>
<p>That said however, about the overhead, I&#8217;m getting ready to shoot a no-budget horror movie some time in May. So it IS possible for the MPAA to be screwed by the promotion game&#8230;</p>
<p>Just not as likely I guess because the major labels still make and distribute good movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark has this fairly right. Funny, he seems to have more savvy than many rich people, even other ones who made their own money like Turner.I&#039;ve been working with IP for almost 30 years, now, and the solution to this problem is not tightening modern copyright law. The system needs, somehow, to find a way to reward creators without obstructing access. Obstruct access and you create pirates.This is inherent in the internet.Consider: It is a classic observation that &quot;The Internet treats censorship as noise and routes around it&quot;.Censorship is: &quot;This we deem dangerous, therefore you may not access it.&quot;Copyright is: &quot;This you have not paid for, therefore you may not access it.&quot;Both the activities are about controlling access.Hence, it seems clear: &quot;The Internet treats copyright as noise and routes around it&quot;.Playboy suppresses Scanmaster, a dozen, then a hundred scanners pop up to take his place.The RIAA suppresses Napster, and Bearshare, Kazaa, Bit Torrent, and dozens, eventually hundreds, of other pop up to take Napster&#039;s place.The internet has routed around copyright.Rewards are still needed, for creators to create and investors to invest -- this is not by any means a polemic against personal profit from one&#039;s works. But the rewards have to tie to the release and social utility of the creation, not to access to the creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark has this fairly right. Funny, he seems to have more savvy than many rich people, even other ones who made their own money like Turner.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working with IP for almost 30 years, now, and the solution to this problem is not tightening modern copyright law. The system needs, somehow, to find a way to reward creators without obstructing access. Obstruct access and you create pirates.</p>
<p>This is inherent in the internet.</p>
<p>Consider:<br />
It is a classic observation that &#8220;The Internet treats censorship as noise and routes around it&#8221;.<br />
Censorship is: &#8220;This we deem dangerous, therefore you may not access it.&#8221;<br />
Copyright is: &#8220;This you have not paid for, therefore you may not access it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both the activities are about controlling access.</p>
<p>Hence, it seems clear: &#8220;The Internet treats copyright as noise and routes around it&#8221;.</p>
<p>Playboy suppresses Scanmaster, a dozen, then a hundred scanners pop up to take his place.</p>
<p>The RIAA suppresses Napster, and Bearshare, Kazaa, Bit Torrent, and dozens, eventually hundreds, of other pop up to take Napster&#8217;s place.</p>
<p>The internet has routed around copyright.</p>
<p>Rewards are still needed, for creators to create and investors to invest &#8212; this is not by any means a polemic against personal profit from one&#8217;s works. But the rewards have to tie to the release and social utility of the creation, not to access to the creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirty Muffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirty Muffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit torrent sites are a search mechanism for content. Google is also a search mechanism for content. Computers are copy machines. To view this web page your computer must copy it on to itself. All computer content is digital, its all ones and zeros, word documents,  mp3s, movies, web pages..... How is possible to stop p2p without stopping computers. All computers are by nature are p2p machines. Bram Cohen the creator of bit torrent is shaking in his boots right now, all because he figured out a way to move a larger amount of ones and zeros faster. The **AA will outlaw the computer as a whole, if they win. I hope the supreme court can understand that the first copyrights where made for player pianos, and that concept just deosn&#039;t apply anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit torrent sites are a search mechanism for content. Google is also a search mechanism for content. Computers are copy machines. To view this web page your computer must copy it on to itself. All computer content is digital, its all ones and zeros, word documents,  mp3s, movies, web pages&#8230;.. How is possible to stop p2p without stopping computers. All computers are by nature are p2p machines. Bram Cohen the creator of bit torrent is shaking in his boots right now, all because he figured out a way to move a larger amount of ones and zeros faster. The **AA will outlaw the computer as a whole, if they win. I hope the supreme court can understand that the first copyrights where made for player pianos, and that concept just deosn&#8217;t apply anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Cortland Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cortland Klein</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written a reply to this article titled &quot;P2P is not a crime&quot;. In it I discuss how the industries could utilize P2P technology to increase their profit margins and lower retail costs, as well as reaching an infinitely larger consumer base. I also denounce the theory that copyright infringement is somehow beneficial, and that we should avoid that theory and stick with one more understandable, say zero distribution costs. You can read my reply at http://pixelcort.com/2005/03/09/114/ .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written a reply to this article titled &#8220;P2P is not a crime&#8221;. In it I discuss how the industries could utilize P2P technology to increase their profit margins and lower retail costs, as well as reaching an infinitely larger consumer base. I also denounce the theory that copyright infringement is somehow beneficial, and that we should avoid that theory and stick with one more understandable, say zero distribution costs. You can read my reply at <a href="http://pixelcort.com/2005/03/09/114/" rel="nofollow">http://pixelcort.com/2005/03/09/114/</a> .</p>
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