Comments on: The NBA vs the Rest of the World http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/ the mark cuban weblog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:04:31 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Joe Rigdon http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25487 Joe Rigdon Tue, 15 May 2007 12:59:36 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25487 I like this train of thought here. You can call me a basketball purist, but I see the possibility of team-oriented European basketball overtaking me-first American style. So many players in the NBA seem to lack the shooting and passing ability that are central to productive team basketball. Until our game reverts back to the fundamentals on which it began, we are in danger of being upstaged by the Euros. All you have to do is look at the recent results in international competition. We can have all the athletes we want, but if they don\'t know how to shoot and pass, they might as well be sprinters or long jumpers, not basketball players. Please take a look at my blog if you are interested - nbamecca.blogspot.com I like this train of thought here. You can call me a basketball purist, but I see the possibility of team-oriented European basketball overtaking me-first American style. So many players in the NBA seem to lack the shooting and passing ability that are central to productive team basketball. Until our game reverts back to the fundamentals on which it began, we are in danger of being upstaged by the Euros. All you have to do is look at the recent results in international competition. We can have all the athletes we want, but if they don\’t know how to shoot and pass, they might as well be sprinters or long jumpers, not basketball players. Please take a look at my blog if you are interested – nbamecca.blogspot.com

]]> By: george http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25475 george Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:00:53 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25475 Emerich, the league's basketball related income was $3.174B US last season. This number was used to calculate the salary cap according NBA CBA guru Larry Coon.<br><br><a href="http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#15" rel="nofollow">http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#15</a><br><br>As for English Soccer, they generated 1.7B Pounds in just the '03 season. <br><br><a href="http://www.deloitte.com/dtt/press_release/0,1014,sid%253D1018%2526cid%253D56077,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.deloitte.com/dtt/press_release/0,1014,sid%253D1018%2526cid%253D56077,00.html</a> Emerich, the league’s basketball related income was $3.174B US last season. This number was used to calculate the salary cap according NBA CBA guru Larry Coon.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#15

As for English Soccer, they generated 1.7B Pounds in just the ‘03 season.

http://www.deloitte.com/dtt/press_release/0,1014,sid%253D1018%2526cid%253D56077,00.html

]]> By: saul http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25486 saul Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:11:42 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25486 Mark,<br><br>You're shooting an Off-balance Jump shot her..the NBA and EuroLeague's should feed off each other's popularity, and continue to co-market and co-brand..trust me, Kobe Bryant isn't going to be playing in Moscow or Barcelona anytime soon, and the Mavericks don't have to worry about losing market share to Maccabi Tel Aviv...please, Soccer will always be the dominant sport in Football-crazy Europe, but there is a niche for Basketball, and yes it is being played at a very high level in Europe...In these days of internet <a href="http://www.calsports1.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.calsports1.com</a> <br>we should be looking at moving forward and providing more Global internet NBA content as well as providing both Americans and Europeans who live here content for EuroLeague Ball. You're very internet savvy, Mark so you should know better than to use the Frog theory, lol..... Saul.. www.calsports1.com<br><br><br> Mark,

You’re shooting an Off-balance Jump shot her..the NBA and EuroLeague’s should feed off each other’s popularity, and continue to co-market and co-brand..trust me, Kobe Bryant isn’t going to be playing in Moscow or Barcelona anytime soon, and the Mavericks don’t have to worry about losing market share to Maccabi Tel Aviv…please, Soccer will always be the dominant sport in Football-crazy Europe, but there is a niche for Basketball, and yes it is being played at a very high level in Europe…In these days of internet http://www.calsports1.com
we should be looking at moving forward and providing more Global internet NBA content as well as providing both Americans and Europeans who live here content for EuroLeague Ball. You’re very internet savvy, Mark so you should know better than to use the Frog theory, lol….. Saul.. http://www.calsports1.com

]]> By: Carlos http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25485 Carlos Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:47:20 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25485 I apologize for my English first.<br><br>I just wanted to say that Ive the feeling Mr. Bertomeu is taking the right direction with Euroleague competition. The "Final Four" is increasing its popularity and many cities try to become the venue to host such an important event. Teams playing this competition are growing in all the aspects even in their domestic leagues and basketball is an important sport not only today but always in the past.We are proud about our history, our competitions and we suspect that Euroleague, Uleb Cup and the most important domestic leagues are becoming the perfect system to dominate the planet basketball . Its our time. Yuo will see it. I apologize for my English first.

I just wanted to say that Ive the feeling Mr. Bertomeu is taking the right direction with Euroleague competition. The “Final Four” is increasing its popularity and many cities try to become the venue to host such an important event. Teams playing this competition are growing in all the aspects even in their domestic leagues and basketball is an important sport not only today but always in the past.We are proud about our history, our competitions and we suspect that Euroleague, Uleb Cup and the most important domestic leagues are becoming the perfect system to dominate the planet basketball . Its our time. Yuo will see it.

]]> By: Tre Pryor http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25447 Tre Pryor Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:37:47 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25447 NBA Problems:<br><br>1) Season/Playoffs Too Long: Each game mattes less<br>2) Too Much "Me First" Attitude: The team game suffers<br>3) Too Much Movement: Players jumping from team to team frustrates fans. NBA Problems:

1) Season/Playoffs Too Long: Each game mattes less
2) Too Much “Me First” Attitude: The team game suffers
3) Too Much Movement: Players jumping from team to team frustrates fans.

]]> By: Tre Pryor http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25446 Tre Pryor Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:37:28 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25446 I wholly support the decision to focus on the NBA product. I think the game of basketball has declined as the focus has shifted from the team to the individual; the club to the superstar. Here are the negatives as I see them:<br><br>* Regular season is too long; games don't mean as much. That goes for the Playoffs too; every level doesn't need a Best of 7. The NCAA Tournament is charged with electricity because every player on the court is giving their ALL because otherwise, they could be heading home.<br>* Players move from team to team too often. It's hard to resonate with a team if 25%-40% is different from last season. Even teams moving from city to city mess with the vibe. (Not sure what can be done about this?)<br>* Too much hot-dog, me-first players. The media is contributing to this phenomenon with SportsCenter highlights to a certain degree. Then these "superstars" get beat by a well-oiled machine called Greece, with no true stud player but who play the game of basketball as a team. I wholly support the decision to focus on the NBA product. I think the game of basketball has declined as the focus has shifted from the team to the individual; the club to the superstar. Here are the negatives as I see them:

* Regular season is too long; games don’t mean as much. That goes for the Playoffs too; every level doesn’t need a Best of 7. The NCAA Tournament is charged with electricity because every player on the court is giving their ALL because otherwise, they could be heading home.
* Players move from team to team too often. It’s hard to resonate with a team if 25%-40% is different from last season. Even teams moving from city to city mess with the vibe. (Not sure what can be done about this?)
* Too much hot-dog, me-first players. The media is contributing to this phenomenon with SportsCenter highlights to a certain degree. Then these “superstars” get beat by a well-oiled machine called Greece, with no true stud player but who play the game of basketball as a team.

]]> By: Pedro Luis http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25484 Pedro Luis Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:29:18 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25484 Estimado seor Cuban. Dado que mi ingls no es muy bueno, se lo escribir en espaol para poder expresar todo lo que quiero de una forma correcta. Digo yo que en los Mavericks habr alguien que se lo pueda traducir. Si digo que usted es un bocazas, no voy a descubrir nada nuevo. Igual, en la NBA, ya estn acostumbrados a sus gilipolleces y bravuconadas. Y les har gracia. Pero aqu, no. Como el propio seor Bertomeu le ha recordado, sus Mavs estn donde estn gracias a seor de apellido Novitzki, nombre Dirk y que, por si no lo sabe, es alemn. Es decir, europeo. Si la Euroliga hubiera estado funcionando cuando Dirk se fue a EEUU, todo el mundo sabra quien era l y no creo que le hubiera sido fcil haberle incorporado a sus filas. Que yo sepa, los equipos NBA han jugado partido, no ya de pretemporada, sino de Liga Regular fuera de Estados Unidos. Y an no he odo a ningn japons decir que quieren meter equipos suyos en la NBA. La Euroliga (y las dems ligas nacionales) surten de jugadores a la NBA porque el jugador europeo, salvo fsicamente, est, como mnimo, al mismo nivel tcnico que los jugadores que aparecden todos los aos en el draft. Quin le iba a decir a usted que un italiano iba a ser nmero uno del draft?. Por lo que se ha visto en los ltimos campeonatos, la forma de jugar como equipo de la seleccin USA, deja mucho que desear. Ya no se dribla, ni se finta, ni se juega 2 x 2 o 3 x 3. Eche un vistazo a los equipos europeos como trabajan con la gente joven. Como les ensean a amar este deporte y a divertirse ganando y jugando al mismo tiempo. Recuerdo los primeros partidos que vi de equipos profesionales americanos (incluso universitarios) con equipos europeos, en los que al base USA no le importaba lo ms mnimo emparejarse con el pvot contrario. Ahora, no. No hay cambios defensivos y variantes ofensivas. Claro, que todo eso que ha escrito no deja de ser una opinin personal (como la ma) que habr que tener en la consideracin debida. Es decir, no hacerla ni caso. Me gustara ver que pasara si, en vez de 25 millones de euros, un equipo europeo pudiera tener de presupuesto tres o cuatro veces ms. A ver donde iban a ir los jugadores. Ande, seor Cuban, vaya preparando la chequera para hacer frente a las multas de este ao, ocpese de que su equipo nos haga vibrar de nuevo como lo hizo en la serie con los Suns y con los Heat (el resultado me da igual. Yo slo quiero ver baloncesto del bueno) y djenos en paz.<br>Espero que haya ms espaoles que le dejen su recadito.<br>Hala, A parla. Estimado seor Cuban. Dado que mi ingls no es muy bueno, se lo escribir en espaol para poder expresar todo lo que quiero de una forma correcta. Digo yo que en los Mavericks habr alguien que se lo pueda traducir. Si digo que usted es un bocazas, no voy a descubrir nada nuevo. Igual, en la NBA, ya estn acostumbrados a sus gilipolleces y bravuconadas. Y les har gracia. Pero aqu, no. Como el propio seor Bertomeu le ha recordado, sus Mavs estn donde estn gracias a seor de apellido Novitzki, nombre Dirk y que, por si no lo sabe, es alemn. Es decir, europeo. Si la Euroliga hubiera estado funcionando cuando Dirk se fue a EEUU, todo el mundo sabra quien era l y no creo que le hubiera sido fcil haberle incorporado a sus filas. Que yo sepa, los equipos NBA han jugado partido, no ya de pretemporada, sino de Liga Regular fuera de Estados Unidos. Y an no he odo a ningn japons decir que quieren meter equipos suyos en la NBA. La Euroliga (y las dems ligas nacionales) surten de jugadores a la NBA porque el jugador europeo, salvo fsicamente, est, como mnimo, al mismo nivel tcnico que los jugadores que aparecden todos los aos en el draft. Quin le iba a decir a usted que un italiano iba a ser nmero uno del draft?. Por lo que se ha visto en los ltimos campeonatos, la forma de jugar como equipo de la seleccin USA, deja mucho que desear. Ya no se dribla, ni se finta, ni se juega 2 x 2 o 3 x 3. Eche un vistazo a los equipos europeos como trabajan con la gente joven. Como les ensean a amar este deporte y a divertirse ganando y jugando al mismo tiempo. Recuerdo los primeros partidos que vi de equipos profesionales americanos (incluso universitarios) con equipos europeos, en los que al base USA no le importaba lo ms mnimo emparejarse con el pvot contrario. Ahora, no. No hay cambios defensivos y variantes ofensivas. Claro, que todo eso que ha escrito no deja de ser una opinin personal (como la ma) que habr que tener en la consideracin debida. Es decir, no hacerla ni caso. Me gustara ver que pasara si, en vez de 25 millones de euros, un equipo europeo pudiera tener de presupuesto tres o cuatro veces ms. A ver donde iban a ir los jugadores. Ande, seor Cuban, vaya preparando la chequera para hacer frente a las multas de este ao, ocpese de que su equipo nos haga vibrar de nuevo como lo hizo en la serie con los Suns y con los Heat (el resultado me da igual. Yo slo quiero ver baloncesto del bueno) y djenos en paz.
Espero que haya ms espaoles que le dejen su recadito.
Hala, A parla.

]]> By: Richard http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25483 Richard Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:57:27 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25483 Very interesting that you bring this up. Currently, for one of my classes in Law School, I am preparing a paper that touches on almost this exact subject -- but for hockey. The essnetial argument I make is very similar to yours - that the NHL's has been rather arrogant towards international markets, and these markets are going to start pushing back unless they get treated fairly. <br><br>I am still young, but I worked in international sport for a couple of years before entering law school - through this experience, I realized how important it is to look at "interests" and not "positions". Applied here, what is it REALLY that these fans and institutions in Europe or Asia really want? Do these fans and institutions want to see their top talent develop and then leave a few years before reaching their prime? Clearly, the answer is NO -- especially when you're dealing with sport, which is in itself institution that moulds meaning, culture, values, drives economics and politics, and is extremely effective at promoting the interests of whoever is in control.<br><br>If anybody wants to discuss this with me further, please contact me at emulerichard [at] gmail.com -- or check out my blog -- <a href="http://emulehockey.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://emulehockey.blogspot.com/</a> Very interesting that you bring this up. Currently, for one of my classes in Law School, I am preparing a paper that touches on almost this exact subject — but for hockey. The essnetial argument I make is very similar to yours – that the NHL’s has been rather arrogant towards international markets, and these markets are going to start pushing back unless they get treated fairly.

I am still young, but I worked in international sport for a couple of years before entering law school – through this experience, I realized how important it is to look at “interests” and not “positions”. Applied here, what is it REALLY that these fans and institutions in Europe or Asia really want? Do these fans and institutions want to see their top talent develop and then leave a few years before reaching their prime? Clearly, the answer is NO — especially when you’re dealing with sport, which is in itself institution that moulds meaning, culture, values, drives economics and politics, and is extremely effective at promoting the interests of whoever is in control.

If anybody wants to discuss this with me further, please contact me at emulerichard [at] gmail.com — or check out my blog — http://emulehockey.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Christian Ter http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25482 Christian Ter Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:06:30 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25482 My favorite one: Dirk sits in front of camera and says proudly and clear: I do only 3 things in Germany: practice, eat mothers cooking and watch Fussball Aktuell. It is like Kobe Bryant saying that he does only 3 things in LA, practice, eats and watches NFL postgame show. My favorite one: Dirk sits in front of camera and says proudly and clear: I do only 3 things in Germany: practice, eat mothers cooking and watch Fussball Aktuell. It is like Kobe Bryant saying that he does only 3 things in LA, practice, eats and watches NFL postgame show.

]]> By: nima khaze http://blogmaverick.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25481 nima khaze Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:40:29 +0000 http://blogmaverick.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/the-nba-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-25481 Are we going to stop at europe.<br><br>When reading cubans comments it's hard not to think of the UEFA champions league programme and how many countires and leagues within the continent europe all compete in the one superior competition. Initialliy this idea seems ridiculous how can leagues that are less fiscally competent such as the portugese, ukranian, Turkish and Russian teams compete in such leagues the simple answer is they can't. However ironically the more accurate answer is not only do they compete but sometimes they win, with both Porto from portugal and Galatasaray from turkey winning the main comps in the past ten years.<br><br>Ok thats enough about soccer. The idea of global convergance in regards to the basketball model is good, however if basketball tries a socialistic approach and tries to branch out into to many areas at the same time the stronger leagues may be kept down by let say a team called the delhi dolphins who are about as good as the guys I play ball against at the local courts.<br><br>try to strengthen and consolidate the position of already existing markets such as europe, China, Japan and Australia. <br><br>As an international fan I would like to say we don't want a common world league, just for the nba to throw us a bone once in a while. Just check up on us. In Australia we lost the NBA on free-to-air tv about 10 years ago. suffice to say the ensuing result was the local league crumbled and also went to pay tv. Then the NBA was taken off pay-tv in its usual format and now only plays one game a week. <br><br>Does this mean ball is an unpopular sport here, fuck no. Besides the spanish, german, greeks and the ex-commie bloc we still consider ourselves world rate palyers and consumers. Footlocker outsells soccer and the local football leagues by a huge ratio. Ball shoes are as popular as ever. Video game sales are huge. And we got players in your college system. But media representation died because no one monitored the situation in our country.<br><br>Someone throw us a bone here, get nba tv onto our cable stations, just do something. Are we going to stop at europe.

When reading cubans comments it’s hard not to think of the UEFA champions league programme and how many countires and leagues within the continent europe all compete in the one superior competition. Initialliy this idea seems ridiculous how can leagues that are less fiscally competent such as the portugese, ukranian, Turkish and Russian teams compete in such leagues the simple answer is they can’t. However ironically the more accurate answer is not only do they compete but sometimes they win, with both Porto from portugal and Galatasaray from turkey winning the main comps in the past ten years.

Ok thats enough about soccer. The idea of global convergance in regards to the basketball model is good, however if basketball tries a socialistic approach and tries to branch out into to many areas at the same time the stronger leagues may be kept down by let say a team called the delhi dolphins who are about as good as the guys I play ball against at the local courts.

try to strengthen and consolidate the position of already existing markets such as europe, China, Japan and Australia.

As an international fan I would like to say we don’t want a common world league, just for the nba to throw us a bone once in a while. Just check up on us. In Australia we lost the NBA on free-to-air tv about 10 years ago. suffice to say the ensuing result was the local league crumbled and also went to pay tv. Then the NBA was taken off pay-tv in its usual format and now only plays one game a week.

Does this mean ball is an unpopular sport here, fuck no. Besides the spanish, german, greeks and the ex-commie bloc we still consider ourselves world rate palyers and consumers. Footlocker outsells soccer and the local football leagues by a huge ratio. Ball shoes are as popular as ever. Video game sales are huge. And we got players in your college system. But media representation died because no one monitored the situation in our country.

Someone throw us a bone here, get nba tv onto our cable stations, just do something.

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