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	<title>Comments on: Warren Buffett , Taxes and the Presidency</title>
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		<title>By: econ365</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2007/12/11/warren-buffett-taxes-and-the-presidency/#comment-52669</link>
		<dc:creator>econ365</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that $250k is a little low to be considered &#039;rich&#039; by Obama&#039;s plan. In the same vein the number of billionaires in the U.S. is too small to justify taxing them. Besides most billionaires do not get the majority of their income from a &#039;job&#039; per se. Warren Buffett smartly keeps his salary at $100k to avoid a heavy income tax bill. I think the threshold should be $500k for individuals and $1mm for married couples. What you will find is that these people that fit in this income bracket will become better managers of their money and thus able to negate any tax increase. Capital gains tax is another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that $250k is a little low to be considered &#8216;rich&#8217; by Obama&#8217;s plan. In the same vein the number of billionaires in the U.S. is too small to justify taxing them. Besides most billionaires do not get the majority of their income from a &#8216;job&#8217; per se. Warren Buffett smartly keeps his salary at $100k to avoid a heavy income tax bill. I think the threshold should be $500k for individuals and $1mm for married couples. What you will find is that these people that fit in this income bracket will become better managers of their money and thus able to negate any tax increase. Capital gains tax is another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2007/12/11/warren-buffett-taxes-and-the-presidency/#comment-38313</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading this blog mark cuban your the man.</description>
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		<title>By: Jenny Diamond</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2007/12/11/warren-buffett-taxes-and-the-presidency/#comment-38311</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I agree with much, and also disagree with much of what you\&#039;ve written. I think not everyone in need of social services can be likened to a crack addict. While I fully agree that hard work should be rewarded, and that those who are willing to put in the time should be afforded the luxury, I think that once we\&#039;re on the topic of fairness, the playing field at the outset should be relatively equal. A lot of this spending can be going to help those that have been born into very disadvantaged circumstances, that would love only to be given an equal chance to work hard and contribute. That being said, amen on the transparency point.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ok I can\&#039;t hold back - $250,000 is a ton of money, and I don\&#039;t think turning a blind eye to so much of the world\&#039;s tremendous bad luck poverty is right. I agree that people with only that amount of money (250k) can\&#039;t be secure 100% confidently, but I think that\&#039;s a very very high standard of living, and pretty damn secure. People should be rewarded for their hard work, but I think $250,000 is where guilt should creep in when thinking of the majority of human destitution, the kind of line where you\&#039;d think we\&#039;d pick it up a notch if we lived in a voluntary tax system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I agree with much, and also disagree with much of what you\&#8217;ve written. I think not everyone in need of social services can be likened to a crack addict. While I fully agree that hard work should be rewarded, and that those who are willing to put in the time should be afforded the luxury, I think that once we\&#8217;re on the topic of fairness, the playing field at the outset should be relatively equal. A lot of this spending can be going to help those that have been born into very disadvantaged circumstances, that would love only to be given an equal chance to work hard and contribute. That being said, amen on the transparency point.</p>
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<p>Ok I can\&#8217;t hold back &#8211; $250,000 is a ton of money, and I don\&#8217;t think turning a blind eye to so much of the world\&#8217;s tremendous bad luck poverty is right. I agree that people with only that amount of money (250k) can\&#8217;t be secure 100% confidently, but I think that\&#8217;s a very very high standard of living, and pretty damn secure. People should be rewarded for their hard work, but I think $250,000 is where guilt should creep in when thinking of the majority of human destitution, the kind of line where you\&#8217;d think we\&#8217;d pick it up a notch if we lived in a voluntary tax system.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Mudd</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2007/12/11/warren-buffett-taxes-and-the-presidency/#comment-38310</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Mudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three Cheers for this blog.  This discussion needs to be raised to higher levels in order for it to become important to candidates for office. So far there is at least one who thinks enough of this problem to be talking about it in earnest (Ron Paul)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three Cheers for this blog.  This discussion needs to be raised to higher levels in order for it to become important to candidates for office. So far there is at least one who thinks enough of this problem to be talking about it in earnest (Ron Paul)!</p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2007/12/11/warren-buffett-taxes-and-the-presidency/#comment-38306</link>
		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politico said the \&quot;control group\&quot; thought Huckabee won the Republican Debate -- what\&#039;s so astonishing is that the control group consisted wholly of CALIFORNIA WOMEN -- that\&#039;s right those independent-minded strong California Women thought Huckbee won -- now this flies in the face of the Media\&#039;s Conventional notion that Huckabee only appeals to the Evangelicals -- so why isn\&#039;t the Main-Stream Media covering this??????????  You can see the women\&#039;s pre- &amp; post-debate comments on Politico.   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8235.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8235.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;More importantly, today Politico did a story on Women being a key factor in the election -- so, this makes Huckabee\&#039;s win even more ASTOUNDING &amp; NEWS WORTHY.  So, again, why isn\&#039;t the MSM covering this?&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Oh, and by the way -- Huckabee\&#039;s press secretary has been trying to get him on Hannity\&#039;s show tonight -- any success with that???????  Hmmmmm  [Just in- they\&#039;ve now said Yes for tonight, Feb 1]&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;How about a debate between Hannity &amp; Huckabee -- since Huckabee\&#039;s not only running against the Republican Candidates -- but the Media as well?  Perhaps this could be held on another \&quot;Fair &amp; Balanced\&quot; network -- any suggestions??&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Also,  Mike is only 1% behind Romney in New National Poll!!  So HOW DARE the media ignore and suppress him?  For Poll Results see:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://race42008.com/2008/02/01/poll-watch-fox-news-gop-national/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://race42008.com/2008/02/01/poll-watch-fox-news-gop-national/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politico said the \&#8221;control group\&#8221; thought Huckabee won the Republican Debate &#8212; what\&#8217;s so astonishing is that the control group consisted wholly of CALIFORNIA WOMEN &#8212; that\&#8217;s right those independent-minded strong California Women thought Huckbee won &#8212; now this flies in the face of the Media\&#8217;s Conventional notion that Huckabee only appeals to the Evangelicals &#8212; so why isn\&#8217;t the Main-Stream Media covering this??????????  You can see the women\&#8217;s pre- &#038; post-debate comments on Politico.   <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8235.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8235.html</a></p>
<p>More importantly, today Politico did a story on Women being a key factor in the election &#8212; so, this makes Huckabee\&#8217;s win even more ASTOUNDING &#038; NEWS WORTHY.  So, again, why isn\&#8217;t the MSM covering this?</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way &#8212; Huckabee\&#8217;s press secretary has been trying to get him on Hannity\&#8217;s show tonight &#8212; any success with that???????  Hmmmmm  [Just in- they\'ve now said Yes for tonight, Feb 1]</p>
<p>How about a debate between Hannity &#038; Huckabee &#8212; since Huckabee\&#8217;s not only running against the Republican Candidates &#8212; but the Media as well?  Perhaps this could be held on another \&#8221;Fair &#038; Balanced\&#8221; network &#8212; any suggestions??</p>
<p>Also,  Mike is only 1% behind Romney in New National Poll!!  So HOW DARE the media ignore and suppress him?  For Poll Results see:  <a href="http://race42008.com/2008/02/01/poll-watch-fox-news-gop-national/" rel="nofollow">http://race42008.com/2008/02/01/poll-watch-fox-news-gop-national/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Godfrey</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2007/12/11/warren-buffett-taxes-and-the-presidency/#comment-38305</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Godfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Small businesses are the foundation of America. I like your idea of not having taxes for businesses with fewer than 25 employees as many small businesses pay taxes at the individual level so if you raise taxes on the \&quot;rich\&quot; you are going to hurt a large number of small businesses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let me ask this of those who want to tax the rich more: When was the last time a poor person gave you a job?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Small businesses are the foundation of America. I like your idea of not having taxes for businesses with fewer than 25 employees as many small businesses pay taxes at the individual level so if you raise taxes on the \&#8221;rich\&#8221; you are going to hurt a large number of small businesses.</p>
<p>Let me ask this of those who want to tax the rich more: When was the last time a poor person gave you a job?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2007/12/11/warren-buffett-taxes-and-the-presidency/#comment-38302</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So with all of your media connections and $ wouldn\&#039;t the best thing for America be that you form some sort of logical think tank that can go through all the BS and educate the voting public.  This way when voters go to place their ballots they are doing it with knowledge of what they are voting.  Imagine, a whole new business whose sole business is to dig through all the political spins and crap to get to the truth and you would have the media contacts to get the information in front of the voters and educate them about it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would love for politicians salaries to be capped at 2 x minimum wage - how can a politician represent anyone in financial aspects when they have nothing to worry about trying to pay mortgage, income taxes, property taxes (real estate), personal property taxes (automobiles, equipment, etc), utilities, etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I also think attaching \&#039;pork\&#039; or anything else to a bill is BS a bill should be proposed for one item per bill so that voters know 100% of what is being voted on and not some hidden agenda attached to it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Taxes - they need to be simplified, flat rate or progressive rate - hard to say without the gov being on a budget and doing some impact research to see how things would work the best for all concerned both now and in the future.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, my 2 cents guess I\&#039;d owe taxes on that if this wasn\&#039;t the internet ;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So with all of your media connections and $ wouldn\&#8217;t the best thing for America be that you form some sort of logical think tank that can go through all the BS and educate the voting public.  This way when voters go to place their ballots they are doing it with knowledge of what they are voting.  Imagine, a whole new business whose sole business is to dig through all the political spins and crap to get to the truth and you would have the media contacts to get the information in front of the voters and educate them about it.  </p>
<p>Would love for politicians salaries to be capped at 2 x minimum wage &#8211; how can a politician represent anyone in financial aspects when they have nothing to worry about trying to pay mortgage, income taxes, property taxes (real estate), personal property taxes (automobiles, equipment, etc), utilities, etc. </p>
<p>And I also think attaching \&#8217;pork\&#8217; or anything else to a bill is BS a bill should be proposed for one item per bill so that voters know 100% of what is being voted on and not some hidden agenda attached to it.  </p>
<p>Taxes &#8211; they need to be simplified, flat rate or progressive rate &#8211; hard to say without the gov being on a budget and doing some impact research to see how things would work the best for all concerned both now and in the future.</p>
<p>Well, my 2 cents guess I\&#8217;d owe taxes on that if this wasn\&#8217;t the internet <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece. Sounds like a fellow Hoosier. Keep it simple stupid.&lt;br&gt;If the AMericans at the top really wanted help those of us who punch the clock they could give us our dollar back. Our dollar has been hijacked by private bankers. We need the wealthy Americans looking for a way to help the nation who helped them need to corner the silver and gold market. Invest this cache of finite wealth into the US depository. Allow our congress to print certificates against this commodity and take over the federal reserve bank. Give the people their dollar back. We do not net in intrest enough to offset inflation. We suffer for the good of a private bank. Help the people by loaning the government the money {gold, silver) it needs to print its own money!&lt;br&gt;It happened once in the great state of Indiana&lt;br&gt;Study the debate in 1913</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece. Sounds like a fellow Hoosier. Keep it simple stupid.<br />If the AMericans at the top really wanted help those of us who punch the clock they could give us our dollar back. Our dollar has been hijacked by private bankers. We need the wealthy Americans looking for a way to help the nation who helped them need to corner the silver and gold market. Invest this cache of finite wealth into the US depository. Allow our congress to print certificates against this commodity and take over the federal reserve bank. Give the people their dollar back. We do not net in intrest enough to offset inflation. We suffer for the good of a private bank. Help the people by loaning the government the money {gold, silver) it needs to print its own money!<br />It happened once in the great state of Indiana<br />Study the debate in 1913</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who is your favorite for President?</description>
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		<title>By: Tycho Brahe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tycho Brahe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe that your proposals are well-intentioned, but I really do not think they would work.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a number of posters have already mentioned in the comments, such luxury taxes have been tried before and failed miserably (as you would likely agree - we live in a world economy and, unless every other country does the same, the rich will go elsewhere to find most of these luxury items).   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sure, you may have no problem paying an extra $10,000,000 for a jet or boat.  However, many others will.  Of course, I am no billionaire.  I am no millionaire.  But, if I were, I sincerely doubt that, if given the choice, I would give my extra $10,000,000 to the government when I could use that money to enjoy life, save for retirement or save for my children\&#039;s educations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess that, if you have more money than you can ever spend, money is less significant to your thinking.   Most people here likely come from a different perspective than yours.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The idea that the \&quot;rich\&quot; (as you rightfully point out - that definition is being set at too drastically low of a level by many of the Democratic candidates) pay no taxes or less taxes than the poor or the middle class is ridiculously absurd. The \&quot;rich\&quot; typically pay the bulk of taxes.  Moreover, the system of tax rates are set so as to punish you for making more money (i.e., the \&quot;marginal rates\&quot;... as your income grows, the amount you pay increases).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am fortunate enough to make about $200,000 per year. While I am, by no means, living in poverty...I certainly do not consider myself rich.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Last year, for example, I paid approximately 40% of that income in federal income tax, state income tax, local property taxes, etc. (excluding sales taxes, which would likely drastically increase this percentage if I could accurately track the amount paid).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of my income is spent paying taxes, housing, automobiles (no Lexus, unfortunately), food and schooling for my children.... oh, and trying to save for my retirement and my children\&#039;s college.  After all that, I do not have much discretionary income.      &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, it really irritates me hearing someone say \&quot;yes, let\&#039;s tax the rich more\&quot; and \&quot;the rich are not paying thier fair share\&quot; when they define being rich as making over $250,000.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, politicians use such mantras to score points with the lower and middle classes ...   Yet, when you take a look at the percentage of people\&#039;s income spent paying taxes, it is no contest.   The \&quot;rich\&quot; (or those that the politicians want to believe are rich) pay a greater percentage of their income than the lower and middle classes do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are there exceptions? Of course, look at people like Theresa Heinz Kerry whose only income comes from tax-exempt interest paid on millions of dollars worth of municipal bonds. However, the majority of the rich and upper middle class have no such luxury.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As such, your point of \&quot;redefining\&quot; what makes someone rich is very welcome from my standpoint.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
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<p>I believe that your proposals are well-intentioned, but I really do not think they would work.</p>
<p>As a number of posters have already mentioned in the comments, such luxury taxes have been tried before and failed miserably (as you would likely agree &#8211; we live in a world economy and, unless every other country does the same, the rich will go elsewhere to find most of these luxury items).   </p>
<p>Sure, you may have no problem paying an extra $10,000,000 for a jet or boat.  However, many others will.  Of course, I am no billionaire.  I am no millionaire.  But, if I were, I sincerely doubt that, if given the choice, I would give my extra $10,000,000 to the government when I could use that money to enjoy life, save for retirement or save for my children\&#8217;s educations.</p>
<p>I guess that, if you have more money than you can ever spend, money is less significant to your thinking.   Most people here likely come from a different perspective than yours.</p>
<p>The idea that the \&#8221;rich\&#8221; (as you rightfully point out &#8211; that definition is being set at too drastically low of a level by many of the Democratic candidates) pay no taxes or less taxes than the poor or the middle class is ridiculously absurd. The \&#8221;rich\&#8221; typically pay the bulk of taxes.  Moreover, the system of tax rates are set so as to punish you for making more money (i.e., the \&#8221;marginal rates\&#8221;&#8230; as your income grows, the amount you pay increases).</p>
<p>I am fortunate enough to make about $200,000 per year. While I am, by no means, living in poverty&#8230;I certainly do not consider myself rich.  </p>
<p>Last year, for example, I paid approximately 40% of that income in federal income tax, state income tax, local property taxes, etc. (excluding sales taxes, which would likely drastically increase this percentage if I could accurately track the amount paid).  </p>
<p>Most of my income is spent paying taxes, housing, automobiles (no Lexus, unfortunately), food and schooling for my children&#8230;. oh, and trying to save for my retirement and my children\&#8217;s college.  After all that, I do not have much discretionary income.      </p>
<p>So, it really irritates me hearing someone say \&#8221;yes, let\&#8217;s tax the rich more\&#8221; and \&#8221;the rich are not paying thier fair share\&#8221; when they define being rich as making over $250,000.</p>
<p>However, politicians use such mantras to score points with the lower and middle classes &#8230;   Yet, when you take a look at the percentage of people\&#8217;s income spent paying taxes, it is no contest.   The \&#8221;rich\&#8221; (or those that the politicians want to believe are rich) pay a greater percentage of their income than the lower and middle classes do.</p>
<p>Are there exceptions? Of course, look at people like Theresa Heinz Kerry whose only income comes from tax-exempt interest paid on millions of dollars worth of municipal bonds. However, the majority of the rich and upper middle class have no such luxury.</p>
<p>As such, your point of \&#8221;redefining\&#8221; what makes someone rich is very welcome from my standpoint.</p>
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