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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don\&#039;t think I agree with you Mark.  I think you have to separate bloggers (the people) from blogging (the style).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are many legit, well known journalists that write blogs for their publications.  Many have even switched to the blog full time.  In those cases, the term \&quot;blog\&quot; really just refers to the style in which the article is posted and delivered.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In most cases, it\&#039;s still the same basic kind of article you would have read if the person was still a beat writer.  However, now it is published in the \&quot;blog\&quot; format.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only real difference you tend to see is a little bit of the journalistic \&quot;formality\&quot; removed.  Same integrity, just more casual in voice.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, I don\&#039;t think you\&#039;d want to open your locker room to any schmuck that claims to be a blogger.  That would be insane.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I think it would serve your team brand well to actually recruit NBA bloggers to come to games and be treated like main stream press.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As someone with close ties to the NY Yankees media, I know this for a fact.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you go out and find the Mav\&#039;s biggest blogger fans, and allow them to come work from the press box say...once a week, it can only do wonders for the team.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sports blogs have a huge influence over sports fans.  If you get on their good side, it helps.  You\&#039;ll actually see an increase in ticket sales and non-game event attendance.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Plus, you can make it a big deal in the mainstream press.  If you were to reserve 4 or 5 press box seats exclusively for non-corporate bloggers, not only would they write good things about the team, the main stream press would have a field day with that story.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for main stream media blogs, you can\&#039;t discount their popularity.  They get read.  The NY Times Cityroom Blog gets a ton of traffic, and there are countless others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hey, if Dan wanted to do a blog, you\&#039;d let him...admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don\&#8217;t think I agree with you Mark.  I think you have to separate bloggers (the people) from blogging (the style).</p>
<p>There are many legit, well known journalists that write blogs for their publications.  Many have even switched to the blog full time.  In those cases, the term \&#8221;blog\&#8221; really just refers to the style in which the article is posted and delivered.</p>
<p>In most cases, it\&#8217;s still the same basic kind of article you would have read if the person was still a beat writer.  However, now it is published in the \&#8221;blog\&#8221; format.  </p>
<p>The only real difference you tend to see is a little bit of the journalistic \&#8221;formality\&#8221; removed.  Same integrity, just more casual in voice.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don\&#8217;t think you\&#8217;d want to open your locker room to any schmuck that claims to be a blogger.  That would be insane.</p>
<p>However, I think it would serve your team brand well to actually recruit NBA bloggers to come to games and be treated like main stream press.</p>
<p>As someone with close ties to the NY Yankees media, I know this for a fact.</p>
<p>If you go out and find the Mav\&#8217;s biggest blogger fans, and allow them to come work from the press box say&#8230;once a week, it can only do wonders for the team.</p>
<p>Sports blogs have a huge influence over sports fans.  If you get on their good side, it helps.  You\&#8217;ll actually see an increase in ticket sales and non-game event attendance.  </p>
<p>Plus, you can make it a big deal in the mainstream press.  If you were to reserve 4 or 5 press box seats exclusively for non-corporate bloggers, not only would they write good things about the team, the main stream press would have a field day with that story.</p>
<p>As for main stream media blogs, you can\&#8217;t discount their popularity.  They get read.  The NY Times Cityroom Blog gets a ton of traffic, and there are countless others.</p>
<p>Hey, if Dan wanted to do a blog, you\&#8217;d let him&#8230;admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Scruggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Scruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the term blog is meaningless. What matters is if the blogger is a great writer. Ken Tremendous of FireJoeMorgan.com is a great writer (and it turns out he\&#039;s a professional in Hollywood - he outed himself a few months ago). I would read him on the NY Times if they hired him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I don\&#039;t think there\&#039;s anything wrong with newspapers and other media properties having blogs, per se. They just need to get better at identifying talent. Easier said than done, but not impossible. Writing is their stock in trade, after all. This is why Gawker is so good - Nick Denton has a great eye for talent and topics that will attract an audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the term blog is meaningless. What matters is if the blogger is a great writer. Ken Tremendous of FireJoeMorgan.com is a great writer (and it turns out he\&#8217;s a professional in Hollywood &#8211; he outed himself a few months ago). I would read him on the NY Times if they hired him.</p>
<p>So I don\&#8217;t think there\&#8217;s anything wrong with newspapers and other media properties having blogs, per se. They just need to get better at identifying talent. Easier said than done, but not impossible. Writing is their stock in trade, after all. This is why Gawker is so good &#8211; Nick Denton has a great eye for talent and topics that will attract an audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is ridiculous. The NY Times should have blogs. \&quot;Real-time reporting\&quot; connotes anonymous (or at least undifferentiated) authorship. Readers want opinions, perspectives, and new ideas. Blogs have an impression of not being professionally produced, which is one reason why people read them so much. They don\&#039;t go through a corporate machine, and readers can get to the author\&#039;s true intent more quickly. The New York Times brand fundamentally isn\&#039;t about its professionalism as much as it is about its editorial quality -- that is about integrity in pursuit of a story. Blogs can retain much of that quality even as they lose the corporate stain of a professionally-edited process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ridiculous. The NY Times should have blogs. \&#8221;Real-time reporting\&#8221; connotes anonymous (or at least undifferentiated) authorship. Readers want opinions, perspectives, and new ideas. Blogs have an impression of not being professionally produced, which is one reason why people read them so much. They don\&#8217;t go through a corporate machine, and readers can get to the author\&#8217;s true intent more quickly. The New York Times brand fundamentally isn\&#8217;t about its professionalism as much as it is about its editorial quality &#8212; that is about integrity in pursuit of a story. Blogs can retain much of that quality even as they lose the corporate stain of a professionally-edited process.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravan Asteris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravan Asteris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, the irony!  Yet another post poo-poohing the value of blog related content as compared to real media - from yet another self congratulatory blogger!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;News at 11: \&quot;Blogger says blogs add no value to a brand!\&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The irony of this post, denigrating blogs as something \&quot;any literate human being with Internet access can create in under 5 minutes\&quot; that are unsuitable for creating a brand differentiation, coming from a clearly branded \&quot;Mark Cuban\&quot; \&quot;Blog Maverick\&quot; blog is just rich.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, I blog.  Way long time ago, I studied journalism, and I decided that I never wanted to work that hard for so little pay.  With blogs, I can publish opinion pieces (\&quot;editorials\&quot; for you old fashioned types) on my own schedule, without deadlines or some corporate nanny saying \&quot;Oh, you can\&#039;t publish *that*, they advertise with us!\&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are blogs reporting?  Some are - some bloggers focus on contemporaneous reporting of events local to them&lt;br&gt;Are blogs aggregators?  Some are - many bloggers collect factoids and links, then present them as \&quot;compare and contrast\&quot; pieces.&lt;br&gt;Are blogs editorials? Many are - individuals (such as myself) will analyse and opine about current events, politics, religion and news.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A newspaper connected blog can allow a reporter (who should just gather and report facts) to expand into the arena of opinion and editorial.  In traditional media, there is (well, was before Fox News) a strong division between hard news and editorializing.  In blogs, that line is non-existent - look at the right wing blogs, which are usually long on rhetoric and thin on hard facts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But hey, I shouldn\&#039;t have to tell you this stuff - you\&#039;re a \&quot;literate human being\&quot;, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the irony!  Yet another post poo-poohing the value of blog related content as compared to real media &#8211; from yet another self congratulatory blogger!!</p>
<p>News at 11: \&#8221;Blogger says blogs add no value to a brand!\&#8221;</p>
<p>The irony of this post, denigrating blogs as something \&#8221;any literate human being with Internet access can create in under 5 minutes\&#8221; that are unsuitable for creating a brand differentiation, coming from a clearly branded \&#8221;Mark Cuban\&#8221; \&#8221;Blog Maverick\&#8221; blog is just rich.</p>
<p>Yes, I blog.  Way long time ago, I studied journalism, and I decided that I never wanted to work that hard for so little pay.  With blogs, I can publish opinion pieces (\&#8221;editorials\&#8221; for you old fashioned types) on my own schedule, without deadlines or some corporate nanny saying \&#8221;Oh, you can\&#8217;t publish *that*, they advertise with us!\&#8221;</p>
<p>Are blogs reporting?  Some are &#8211; some bloggers focus on contemporaneous reporting of events local to them<br />Are blogs aggregators?  Some are &#8211; many bloggers collect factoids and links, then present them as \&#8221;compare and contrast\&#8221; pieces.<br />Are blogs editorials? Many are &#8211; individuals (such as myself) will analyse and opine about current events, politics, religion and news.</p>
<p>A newspaper connected blog can allow a reporter (who should just gather and report facts) to expand into the arena of opinion and editorial.  In traditional media, there is (well, was before Fox News) a strong division between hard news and editorializing.  In blogs, that line is non-existent &#8211; look at the right wing blogs, which are usually long on rhetoric and thin on hard facts.</p>
<p>But hey, I shouldn\&#8217;t have to tell you this stuff &#8211; you\&#8217;re a \&#8221;literate human being\&#8221;, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Cuban - You are the one person on this earth that can possibly return the Pittsburgh Pirates to a competitive level. I know you wanted to purchase the Cubs for better bang for the buck but if the Buccos could ever return to prominence under your ownership, your standing in the sports community would shoot through the roof in my estimation...I don\&#039;t hold out a lot of hope for the Pirates until someone with some serious $$$$ takes over the club and improves every aspect of their organization. What is it going to take to get a \&#039;Burgh Boy like yourself interested in buying the Buccos?? Just wondering...Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Cuban &#8211; You are the one person on this earth that can possibly return the Pittsburgh Pirates to a competitive level. I know you wanted to purchase the Cubs for better bang for the buck but if the Buccos could ever return to prominence under your ownership, your standing in the sports community would shoot through the roof in my estimation&#8230;I don\&#8217;t hold out a lot of hope for the Pirates until someone with some serious $$$$ takes over the club and improves every aspect of their organization. What is it going to take to get a \&#8217;Burgh Boy like yourself interested in buying the Buccos?? Just wondering&#8230;Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cross Feng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cross Feng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>c\&#039;mon mark, forget it !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>c\&#8217;mon mark, forget it !</p>
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		<title>By: Ange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogs are a hot topic right now.  Since they\&#039;re read more than newspapers, for a newspaper to start a blog (or whatever it really is...but attaching the term \&#039;blog\&#039; to it) will bring immediate attention and readers.&lt;br&gt;I think it\&#039;s a brillant marketing scheme of NY Times to have blogs.  The bloggers aren\&#039;t the best writers, probably don\&#039;t get paid a high (if any) salary comparable to a journalist, but it gives a new option for readers to give feedback and start dialogue.&lt;br&gt;If a news source can utilize blogs for the overall benefit of their vision and goals -- then I say go for it.  more power to em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogs are a hot topic right now.  Since they\&#8217;re read more than newspapers, for a newspaper to start a blog (or whatever it really is&#8230;but attaching the term \&#8217;blog\&#8217; to it) will bring immediate attention and readers.<br />I think it\&#8217;s a brillant marketing scheme of NY Times to have blogs.  The bloggers aren\&#8217;t the best writers, probably don\&#8217;t get paid a high (if any) salary comparable to a journalist, but it gives a new option for readers to give feedback and start dialogue.<br />If a news source can utilize blogs for the overall benefit of their vision and goals &#8212; then I say go for it.  more power to em.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RealTimeMaverick.com?  Right.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blogs are a medium, just like television, print, magazine, bulletin board. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You\&#039;re backpedaling, Mark, and it\&#039;s embarassing.  Just admit that you shouldn\&#039;t have made a blanket ban on blogging simply because most bloggers today are amateurs.  There\&#039;s nothing wrong with journalists using the weblog format.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\&#039;m sure newspapers laughed at the idea of television news just like television laughed at the internet.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You sound so behind the times.  You just don\&#039;t get it, like those guys didn\&#039;t get Broadcast.com when they asked you how many CD players you had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RealTimeMaverick.com?  Right.</p>
<p>Blogs are a medium, just like television, print, magazine, bulletin board. </p>
<p>You\&#8217;re backpedaling, Mark, and it\&#8217;s embarassing.  Just admit that you shouldn\&#8217;t have made a blanket ban on blogging simply because most bloggers today are amateurs.  There\&#8217;s nothing wrong with journalists using the weblog format.  </p>
<p>I\&#8217;m sure newspapers laughed at the idea of television news just like television laughed at the internet.  </p>
<p>You sound so behind the times.  You just don\&#8217;t get it, like those guys didn\&#8217;t get Broadcast.com when they asked you how many CD players you had.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good comment about branding things differently than just another blog.  The problem, as I see it, is that the journalists who keep these blogs are not operating under \&quot;strict journalistic standards.\&quot;  Usually the term \&quot;blog\&quot; (whatever that may mean) is a perfect description of what these news sites are keeping. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take for example this &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.reuters.com/photo/2008/03/12/this-one-is-worth-a-thousand-words/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.reuters.com/photo/2008/03/12/this-one-is-worth-a-thousand-words/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the writer were using the high journalistic standards you might expect from Reuters, he wouldn\&#039;t be able to say things like \&quot;Such a potent image leaves very little room for any doubt. In such circumstances do we need to know the details of the dispute to have any doubts that what we are witnessing is wrong?\&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My theory is these news blogs give journalists the forum to say what they think about a news piece without needing to be objective, while still functioning under the banner of a news organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good comment about branding things differently than just another blog.  The problem, as I see it, is that the journalists who keep these blogs are not operating under \&#8221;strict journalistic standards.\&#8221;  Usually the term \&#8221;blog\&#8221; (whatever that may mean) is a perfect description of what these news sites are keeping. </p>
<p>Take for example this <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/photo/2008/03/12/this-one-is-worth-a-thousand-words/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.reuters.com/photo/2008/03/12/this-one-is-worth-a-thousand-words/</a></p>
<p>If the writer were using the high journalistic standards you might expect from Reuters, he wouldn\&#8217;t be able to say things like \&#8221;Such a potent image leaves very little room for any doubt. In such circumstances do we need to know the details of the dispute to have any doubts that what we are witnessing is wrong?\&#8221;  </p>
<p>My theory is these news blogs give journalists the forum to say what they think about a news piece without needing to be objective, while still functioning under the banner of a news organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point suggest a narrow understanding of why to publish using a blogging platform.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point of blogging is to start/contribute too a conversation. I would recommend that most/if not all newspapers need to find a good way to join in a whole series of conversations online.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point suggest a narrow understanding of why to publish using a blogging platform.</p>
<p>The point of blogging is to start/contribute too a conversation. I would recommend that most/if not all newspapers need to find a good way to join in a whole series of conversations online.</p>
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