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		<title>By: larrybailey2</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/17/quick-solution-to-a-detroit-auto-bailout/#comment-63426</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have less than a perfect credit rating, when it comes to looking for a car loan you could find yourself being turned down again and again. If this is the case then do not despair, go online with a specialist car finance website and let them search around on your behalf to get you the best deal possible for bad credit car loans.

As your credit rating will go a long way to determining not only if you get a loan but also how much the rate of interest will be, you can expect to pay a higher rate if your credit rating is poor. However a specialist website will be able to find you the cheapest rate for your particular circumstances. Because they specialise in loans and in particular bad credit car loans they will search with some of the top lenders in the UK so that you can be sure you have quotes which are the cheapest on the market.

They can also match your circumstances with the criteria of a specific lender, meaning you are less likely to be refused credit.

Before you go for any loan you should make a credit check yourself using one of the major credit reference agencies such as Exeperian or Equifax. By doing so you will be able to see exactly where you stand and what your credit rating is before asking for a loan.

If you want to keep the cost of the loan down then you can pay a larger deposit on the car and this of course will reduce the amount of interest that accumulates on the borrowing. You will have to compromise between keeping the monthly repayments down to something you can afford throughout the loan and you should be aware that your circumstances might change in the future and budget for this, while taking bad credit car loans over a longer period of time you can keep the monthly repayments down remember that the longer you take the loan over the more interest you will have to pay.

Once you have decided how much you need to borrow and how long you want to take the loan over then a specialist website will scour the top UK lenders to find the cheapest quotes and best deals, with the hard work done it is now your turn to go through the quotes to determine which is best for your circumstances. It is essential that you do take the time to read through the small print and key facts of any loan you are considering taking out as this is where you find the total amount repayable on the loan, how much interest you will pay and also any additional fees that can be added onto the total cost.

Bad credit car loans might be your only option if your credit rating is low but you can still get good deals, they are out there to be found if you know where to look and a specialist website will know exactly where to look and will dig them out for you in the shortest time possible along with everything you need to get the perfect loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have less than a perfect credit rating, when it comes to looking for a car loan you could find yourself being turned down again and again. If this is the case then do not despair, go online with a specialist car finance website and let them search around on your behalf to get you the best deal possible for bad credit car loans.</p>
<p>As your credit rating will go a long way to determining not only if you get a loan but also how much the rate of interest will be, you can expect to pay a higher rate if your credit rating is poor. However a specialist website will be able to find you the cheapest rate for your particular circumstances. Because they specialise in loans and in particular bad credit car loans they will search with some of the top lenders in the UK so that you can be sure you have quotes which are the cheapest on the market.</p>
<p>They can also match your circumstances with the criteria of a specific lender, meaning you are less likely to be refused credit.</p>
<p>Before you go for any loan you should make a credit check yourself using one of the major credit reference agencies such as Exeperian or Equifax. By doing so you will be able to see exactly where you stand and what your credit rating is before asking for a loan.</p>
<p>If you want to keep the cost of the loan down then you can pay a larger deposit on the car and this of course will reduce the amount of interest that accumulates on the borrowing. You will have to compromise between keeping the monthly repayments down to something you can afford throughout the loan and you should be aware that your circumstances might change in the future and budget for this, while taking bad credit car loans over a longer period of time you can keep the monthly repayments down remember that the longer you take the loan over the more interest you will have to pay.</p>
<p>Once you have decided how much you need to borrow and how long you want to take the loan over then a specialist website will scour the top UK lenders to find the cheapest quotes and best deals, with the hard work done it is now your turn to go through the quotes to determine which is best for your circumstances. It is essential that you do take the time to read through the small print and key facts of any loan you are considering taking out as this is where you find the total amount repayable on the loan, how much interest you will pay and also any additional fees that can be added onto the total cost.</p>
<p>Bad credit car loans might be your only option if your credit rating is low but you can still get good deals, they are out there to be found if you know where to look and a specialist website will know exactly where to look and will dig them out for you in the shortest time possible along with everything you need to get the perfect loan.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/17/quick-solution-to-a-detroit-auto-bailout/#comment-63074</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out this video about the Detroit auto bailout, its awesome!! Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl6zcW2dOo4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this video about the Detroit auto bailout, its awesome!! Enjoy <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl6zcW2dOo4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl6zcW2dOo4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/17/quick-solution-to-a-detroit-auto-bailout/#comment-60376</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t GM stop manufacturing the same car under different brands? Why have a Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, etc.....just have a GM!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t GM stop manufacturing the same car under different brands? Why have a Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, etc&#8230;..just have a GM!!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/17/quick-solution-to-a-detroit-auto-bailout/#comment-56227</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the US automakers and their dealers need to learn a hard lesson and for several of them it should be going out of business. I recently tried to purchase a Ford Expedition at a dealership in Georgia and must say the sales experience was terrible. I caught them in several lies and when I pointed out that my employeer purchases over 1000 cars per year from Ford and since they were not honoring our contract I would be contacting Ford. Their response was to call my employeer and complain that I was rude and non-supportive of the US auto industry! When I pointed out, during the sales process, that Toyota made better products the response was &quot;several polls show that US products ONLY lag behind Toyota by 2-3 percentage points in quality.&quot; This type of a margin, to me, is a very big one at a $55,000 vehilce! The bottom line is the attitude of US Carmakers and the dealers - its terrible and they act as if we the public owe it to them to bail them out! Get your business plan in order starting with customer service and quality. I was treated like a king at Toyota when I left Ford and went to Toyota to buy an SUV! If you can&#039;t provide customer service and quality products then don&#039;t expect my tax dollars to be used to save your butt - go under!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the US automakers and their dealers need to learn a hard lesson and for several of them it should be going out of business. I recently tried to purchase a Ford Expedition at a dealership in Georgia and must say the sales experience was terrible. I caught them in several lies and when I pointed out that my employeer purchases over 1000 cars per year from Ford and since they were not honoring our contract I would be contacting Ford. Their response was to call my employeer and complain that I was rude and non-supportive of the US auto industry! When I pointed out, during the sales process, that Toyota made better products the response was &#8220;several polls show that US products ONLY lag behind Toyota by 2-3 percentage points in quality.&#8221; This type of a margin, to me, is a very big one at a $55,000 vehilce! The bottom line is the attitude of US Carmakers and the dealers &#8211; its terrible and they act as if we the public owe it to them to bail them out! Get your business plan in order starting with customer service and quality. I was treated like a king at Toyota when I left Ford and went to Toyota to buy an SUV! If you can&#8217;t provide customer service and quality products then don&#8217;t expect my tax dollars to be used to save your butt &#8211; go under!</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind Karnik</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real solution to this problem is simpler than most people think. Just 
give each American family a check of $10,000 that can only be exchanged
to trade in an old car for a new American made car. Look what a 25B$
investment by US Govt will buy! 2.5 new American cars sold! Each new car
sold creates 5 jobs in the U.S.! 12.5 million jobs created! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real solution to this problem is simpler than most people think. Just<br />
give each American family a check of $10,000 that can only be exchanged<br />
to trade in an old car for a new American made car. Look what a 25B$<br />
investment by US Govt will buy! 2.5 new American cars sold! Each new car<br />
sold creates 5 jobs in the U.S.! 12.5 million jobs created!<br />
comment by Arvind Karnik, Masachusetts</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/17/quick-solution-to-a-detroit-auto-bailout/#comment-56138</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get why the oposite approach hasn&#039;t been discussed.  Why not take the big 3 and split it up into smaller segments.  That will shrink the power of the union and open the door to inovation through more competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get why the oposite approach hasn&#8217;t been discussed.  Why not take the big 3 and split it up into smaller segments.  That will shrink the power of the union and open the door to inovation through more competition.</p>
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		<title>By: AL WWJS</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one wants anybody to work for $10 an hour. also how about those who build jet planes, you want to pay them enough to be able to buy one ?????? any business must balance cost to make and deliver the product with product demand /revenues. paying double or more for labor costs than the compeditors does not work and the tax payers should not have their pockets picked to make it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one wants anybody to work for $10 an hour. also how about those who build jet planes, you want to pay them enough to be able to buy one ?????? any business must balance cost to make and deliver the product with product demand /revenues. paying double or more for labor costs than the compeditors does not work and the tax payers should not have their pockets picked to make it work.</p>
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		<title>By: b daug</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe if wall street can be bailed out, so should main street. after all main street is what supports the country.  the working stiff. they want the auto workers to work for $10.00 an hour and no benifits. The person building the car should at least make enough to buy what he builds. what would you want  the industry to do about all the retires? you know these car mfg. have been around for a hundred years, they have retires that live on those pensions. yes they have more expenses then the foregin care makers. the foregin car mfg have only been here for approximately 20 years give or take some.  they don&#039;t have retires.  besides if the government would have been doing theirjob in making sure the auto mfg. were funding the pension funds like they should have been all along there would not be this problem. if americans bought american there would not be problems. buy your foregin cars where the profits are sent overseas, instead of keeping them in this country. government needs to fix the free trade agreements and make them fair trade agreements, leavel the playing field so we can compete.  Let&#039;s not forget the credit problem and banks holding onto the money, that is a big concern for everyone today.  the car mfg. didn&#039;t get to this point by themselves, it is the economy stupid.  

Congress voted themselves raises again.  they want to make money, they just don&#039;t want the working mank to make any. they throw the working man a few crumbs every now and again.  Not only that, they want to take away benifits, medical benifits.  Why congress has the best health program there is and on the tax payers dime, from the time they take office. Why shouldn&#039;t the woring people of this nation have the same right to medical insurance.  These elected officals work for you. you should at least have the same if not better then the elected officials working and being paid by your tax money.  

congress never asked the bankers hard questions like they did the automobile ceo&#039;s. they gave the bankers a blank check for their bail out.  the auto mfg. got a loan, and not $700billion, only $14 billion. auto mfg didn&#039;t get a blank check. they jumped through hoops for their crumbs.  the wall street bankers never had to make a conssession of any kind, they haven&#039;t even turned loose of any oth the money that is supose to help the economy.  then they still are paying out bonus and extras to people in thier org. so they don&#039;t loose good people.  Where do they think thes so called good people will go ?  To another bankrupt bank? 

something else to remember about the automobile business. when congress wanted them to file bankrupsy.  then compared auto&#039;s to the airlines.  listen people, the air lines provide a service. the auto industry makes cars to sell. the second most expensive thing a person buy next to a home. no one will buy a car from a bankrupt company. would you buy siding for your house or carpet in you home from a bankrupt company?? i don&#039;t think so. no one would buy a new car from a bankrupt company either. it is dumb even to suggest it.  i hope they succeed and show the country once and for all the uaw is american all the way and its workers are the best money can buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe if wall street can be bailed out, so should main street. after all main street is what supports the country.  the working stiff. they want the auto workers to work for $10.00 an hour and no benifits. The person building the car should at least make enough to buy what he builds. what would you want  the industry to do about all the retires? you know these car mfg. have been around for a hundred years, they have retires that live on those pensions. yes they have more expenses then the foregin care makers. the foregin car mfg have only been here for approximately 20 years give or take some.  they don&#8217;t have retires.  besides if the government would have been doing theirjob in making sure the auto mfg. were funding the pension funds like they should have been all along there would not be this problem. if americans bought american there would not be problems. buy your foregin cars where the profits are sent overseas, instead of keeping them in this country. government needs to fix the free trade agreements and make them fair trade agreements, leavel the playing field so we can compete.  Let&#8217;s not forget the credit problem and banks holding onto the money, that is a big concern for everyone today.  the car mfg. didn&#8217;t get to this point by themselves, it is the economy stupid.  </p>
<p>Congress voted themselves raises again.  they want to make money, they just don&#8217;t want the working mank to make any. they throw the working man a few crumbs every now and again.  Not only that, they want to take away benifits, medical benifits.  Why congress has the best health program there is and on the tax payers dime, from the time they take office. Why shouldn&#8217;t the woring people of this nation have the same right to medical insurance.  These elected officals work for you. you should at least have the same if not better then the elected officials working and being paid by your tax money.  </p>
<p>congress never asked the bankers hard questions like they did the automobile ceo&#8217;s. they gave the bankers a blank check for their bail out.  the auto mfg. got a loan, and not $700billion, only $14 billion. auto mfg didn&#8217;t get a blank check. they jumped through hoops for their crumbs.  the wall street bankers never had to make a conssession of any kind, they haven&#8217;t even turned loose of any oth the money that is supose to help the economy.  then they still are paying out bonus and extras to people in thier org. so they don&#8217;t loose good people.  Where do they think thes so called good people will go ?  To another bankrupt bank? </p>
<p>something else to remember about the automobile business. when congress wanted them to file bankrupsy.  then compared auto&#8217;s to the airlines.  listen people, the air lines provide a service. the auto industry makes cars to sell. the second most expensive thing a person buy next to a home. no one will buy a car from a bankrupt company. would you buy siding for your house or carpet in you home from a bankrupt company?? i don&#8217;t think so. no one would buy a new car from a bankrupt company either. it is dumb even to suggest it.  i hope they succeed and show the country once and for all the uaw is american all the way and its workers are the best money can buy.</p>
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		<title>By: marcitz</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is actually another solution that doesn&#039;t just help the auto makers but also home-owners and retailers as well:

General Motors announced a new plann that can actually save GM, Homeowners AND retailers. See the story at: http://watchingmarcitz.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/homeowners-auto-industry-retailers-saved-by-new-plan/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is actually another solution that doesn&#8217;t just help the auto makers but also home-owners and retailers as well:</p>
<p>General Motors announced a new plann that can actually save GM, Homeowners AND retailers. See the story at: <a href="http://watchingmarcitz.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/homeowners-auto-industry-retailers-saved-by-new-plan/" rel="nofollow">http://watchingmarcitz.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/homeowners-auto-industry-retailers-saved-by-new-plan/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jkeeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>jkeeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have a question that has NEVER been discussed - what does the auto industry do with existing inventory -- to &#039;bail them out&#039; means to give them cash to pay workers to make more cars -- but the US hasn&#039;t been buying cars for the past 6-12 months because they can&#039;t afford them, they don&#039;t have jobs, they can&#039;t get fiancing, etc.
so, when we &#039;bail them out, they make more, while the DEMAND doesn&#039;t change...  it is a simple supply and demand issue.

I have an idea that i think will solve the auto industry, starting the process removing the reliance on foreign oil, and help with the environment.

idea:  create a trade in system for autos - with the government being the broker/financer of the trade in system.

people who have a car over 10 years old  can trade in their car for a &#039;green&#039; car (has to get over 30mpg) for $500/month.

the $500/month will include insurance on the car, ALL maintenance (tires, oil change, etc), gas, etc.
the monthly cost of the new car will be most likely be LOWER than the maintenance/gas of their existing old car.

why 10 years old or older?  
1. carbon imprint on environment is large
2. those consumers most likely can&#039;t afford or can&#039;t get approved

the car is not owned by the consumer - autos become a utility - a 
&#039;subscription&#039; (using software lingo) -- where there will always be a reacurring revenue stream (and predictable) for the auto manufacturs.
people won&#039;t hold on to older cars longer, they will continue to pay their 
&#039;car utility&#039;

if auto makers are responsible for the maintenance of the cars, they 
will start making more reliable cars which are cheaper to fix.  And if they are responsible to the gas, they will make sure that their cars get great gas mileage.

AND, it can create jobs NOW - cars on the assembly line or cars on lots that have a sub 30mpg ranking, will have to be modified to qualify.
this will provide immediate work for the assembly line, until the existing supply lowers.

this idea solves many problems:
american consumers reliance on gas
how to increase sales of US autos
financing of new car sales
job creation
with the auto industry in a mess,one thing that has not been discussed is:
what to do with the inventory !!
what is going to be done with the existing inventory?
to keep the union jobs, they have to continue to MAKE cars but with
this recession, people aren&#039;t buying cars (supply and demand)! 
there isn&#039;t a DEMAND for cars right now, so they have to STOP making them.

there is also a huge problem with consumer financing.  with people out of 
work and the economy in question, people can&#039;tafford cars, or can&#039;t get financing.  


environment/oil dependence - most of the cars still get under 30 miles to 
the gallon.  most consumers (if were to buy a car) would want a 30mpg+ car.

relationship with auto dealers/makers - for years, trade in values were low 
(and still are), and people know that when they trade their car in, they 
won&#039;t get what they believe is &#039;fair market value&#039; - and with demand low - 
especially for older cars with low gas mileage, consumers will get little/no
return on their existing car - therefore, financing become even more of a 
problem.


please let me know if you have any questions.. i would love to have this idea floated to the &#039;big 3&#039;. i thought of this idea all on my own.. thoughts?

jim keeter
jim_keeter@yahoo.com
425 503 8523</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have a question that has NEVER been discussed &#8211; what does the auto industry do with existing inventory &#8212; to &#8216;bail them out&#8217; means to give them cash to pay workers to make more cars &#8212; but the US hasn&#8217;t been buying cars for the past 6-12 months because they can&#8217;t afford them, they don&#8217;t have jobs, they can&#8217;t get fiancing, etc.<br />
so, when we &#8216;bail them out, they make more, while the DEMAND doesn&#8217;t change&#8230;  it is a simple supply and demand issue.</p>
<p>I have an idea that i think will solve the auto industry, starting the process removing the reliance on foreign oil, and help with the environment.</p>
<p>idea:  create a trade in system for autos &#8211; with the government being the broker/financer of the trade in system.</p>
<p>people who have a car over 10 years old  can trade in their car for a &#8216;green&#8217; car (has to get over 30mpg) for $500/month.</p>
<p>the $500/month will include insurance on the car, ALL maintenance (tires, oil change, etc), gas, etc.<br />
the monthly cost of the new car will be most likely be LOWER than the maintenance/gas of their existing old car.</p>
<p>why 10 years old or older?<br />
1. carbon imprint on environment is large<br />
2. those consumers most likely can&#8217;t afford or can&#8217;t get approved</p>
<p>the car is not owned by the consumer &#8211; autos become a utility &#8211; a<br />
&#8217;subscription&#8217; (using software lingo) &#8212; where there will always be a reacurring revenue stream (and predictable) for the auto manufacturs.<br />
people won&#8217;t hold on to older cars longer, they will continue to pay their<br />
&#8216;car utility&#8217;</p>
<p>if auto makers are responsible for the maintenance of the cars, they<br />
will start making more reliable cars which are cheaper to fix.  And if they are responsible to the gas, they will make sure that their cars get great gas mileage.</p>
<p>AND, it can create jobs NOW &#8211; cars on the assembly line or cars on lots that have a sub 30mpg ranking, will have to be modified to qualify.<br />
this will provide immediate work for the assembly line, until the existing supply lowers.</p>
<p>this idea solves many problems:<br />
american consumers reliance on gas<br />
how to increase sales of US autos<br />
financing of new car sales<br />
job creation<br />
with the auto industry in a mess,one thing that has not been discussed is:<br />
what to do with the inventory !!<br />
what is going to be done with the existing inventory?<br />
to keep the union jobs, they have to continue to MAKE cars but with<br />
this recession, people aren&#8217;t buying cars (supply and demand)!<br />
there isn&#8217;t a DEMAND for cars right now, so they have to STOP making them.</p>
<p>there is also a huge problem with consumer financing.  with people out of<br />
work and the economy in question, people can&#8217;tafford cars, or can&#8217;t get financing.  </p>
<p>environment/oil dependence &#8211; most of the cars still get under 30 miles to<br />
the gallon.  most consumers (if were to buy a car) would want a 30mpg+ car.</p>
<p>relationship with auto dealers/makers &#8211; for years, trade in values were low<br />
(and still are), and people know that when they trade their car in, they<br />
won&#8217;t get what they believe is &#8216;fair market value&#8217; &#8211; and with demand low &#8211;<br />
especially for older cars with low gas mileage, consumers will get little/no<br />
return on their existing car &#8211; therefore, financing become even more of a<br />
problem.</p>
<p>please let me know if you have any questions.. i would love to have this idea floated to the &#8216;big 3&#8242;. i thought of this idea all on my own.. thoughts?</p>
<p>jim keeter<br />
<a href="mailto:jim_keeter@yahoo.com">jim_keeter@yahoo.com</a><br />
425 503 8523</p>
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