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		<title>By: JY</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2009/04/25/hedge-fund-post-revisited/#comment-64498</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good advice, though it was one that was echoed by other commenters of the day.  David Swensen argued explicitly that publicly traded investment companies had a specific disadvantage in generating superior investment returns.

Fund fees tend to be structured in two ways. A management fee of a 1% and a performance fee (in hedge funds 20%).  As the fund becomes larger and larger, the management fee becomes a more and more substantial part of the revenue stream which gradually disincents the fund manager from seeking superior performance (As an example, if you make 50K a year in salary, that next 50K in bonus is a huge incentive.  If you make $50M a year in salary, you certainly won&#039;t work as hard for the next $50M.)

The problem becomes more acute when the fund is publicly traded. Performance fees are by their nature, unstable and unable to be predicted.  MAnagement fees are annuity-like, highly predictable and reliable.  As a shareholder, the clear prefererence is for management fees.  However, as a investor in the fund, your preference is for performance fees, as higher performance fees means that your gains have grown.  Publicly traded fund management have conflicting fiduciary responsibilities and, given that the shareholders ultimately elect the board of directors who in turn dtermines their own compensation, will likely reward shareholders more than investors.

As a side note, A more elegant explanation of this conflict can be found in Swensen&#039;s citation of Miles Morland of Blakeney Management.

http://books.google.com/books?id=SbIz2gRbrF4C&amp;pg=PT282&amp;lpg=PT282&amp;dq=%22blakeney+management%22+guerrilla&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=qoaQLeGNRz&amp;sig=70cgVk8meIkOpdnkJAsY9crd7Fc&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=dZ4BSsGGDdqgmAfZlbCYCA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice, though it was one that was echoed by other commenters of the day.  David Swensen argued explicitly that publicly traded investment companies had a specific disadvantage in generating superior investment returns.</p>
<p>Fund fees tend to be structured in two ways. A management fee of a 1% and a performance fee (in hedge funds 20%).  As the fund becomes larger and larger, the management fee becomes a more and more substantial part of the revenue stream which gradually disincents the fund manager from seeking superior performance (As an example, if you make 50K a year in salary, that next 50K in bonus is a huge incentive.  If you make $50M a year in salary, you certainly won&#8217;t work as hard for the next $50M.)</p>
<p>The problem becomes more acute when the fund is publicly traded. Performance fees are by their nature, unstable and unable to be predicted.  MAnagement fees are annuity-like, highly predictable and reliable.  As a shareholder, the clear prefererence is for management fees.  However, as a investor in the fund, your preference is for performance fees, as higher performance fees means that your gains have grown.  Publicly traded fund management have conflicting fiduciary responsibilities and, given that the shareholders ultimately elect the board of directors who in turn dtermines their own compensation, will likely reward shareholders more than investors.</p>
<p>As a side note, A more elegant explanation of this conflict can be found in Swensen&#8217;s citation of Miles Morland of Blakeney Management.</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=SbIz2gRbrF4C&#038;pg=PT282&#038;lpg=PT282&#038;dq=%22blakeney+management%22+guerrilla&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=qoaQLeGNRz&#038;sig=70cgVk8meIkOpdnkJAsY9crd7Fc&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=dZ4BSsGGDdqgmAfZlbCYCA&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=1" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=SbIz2gRbrF4C&#038;pg=PT282&#038;lpg=PT282&#038;dq=%22blakeney+management%22+guerrilla&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=qoaQLeGNRz&#038;sig=70cgVk8meIkOpdnkJAsY9crd7Fc&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=dZ4BSsGGDdqgmAfZlbCYCA&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ward Roberts</title>
		<link>http://blogmaverick.com/2009/04/25/hedge-fund-post-revisited/#comment-64449</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ward Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny thing is I read somewhere that fund managers rarely beat the S&amp;P500. I don&#039;t know if this is true for hedge-funds, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing is I read somewhere that fund managers rarely beat the S&amp;P500. I don&#8217;t know if this is true for hedge-funds, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Thank</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 14:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sohbet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 04:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more thing, why is it b/c of my age which is 28, these funding sources tell me Im green and need to be much older in order to actually lead my project? Is it my fault that im following whats in my heart? Or that I feel that why not impact at least as much as I can as soon as I can? Does anyone actually care anymore about seeing other people rebound and do well? Im not sure why there is more of an effort to allow anyone with a viable initative &quot;Takeoff&quot; as long as they have the plan and mechanisms, of course we all need assistance and some guidance from others, AHHHHH Just frustrating, I will stop babbling...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, why is it b/c of my age which is 28, these funding sources tell me Im green and need to be much older in order to actually lead my project? Is it my fault that im following whats in my heart? Or that I feel that why not impact at least as much as I can as soon as I can? Does anyone actually care anymore about seeing other people rebound and do well? Im not sure why there is more of an effort to allow anyone with a viable initative &#8220;Takeoff&#8221; as long as they have the plan and mechanisms, of course we all need assistance and some guidance from others, AHHHHH Just frustrating, I will stop babbling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joryan44</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember reading the original shortly after I started reading your blog. Been reading ever since.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading the original shortly after I started reading your blog. Been reading ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: geewhiz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I meant to say &quot;stay private&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant to say &#8220;stay private&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: geewhiz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing I think you missed. Why in the world would a hedge fund want to sell their equity if they believe strongly in their strategy? If they are going to do well then they should build value, stay public and sell out when the time is right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I think you missed. Why in the world would a hedge fund want to sell their equity if they believe strongly in their strategy? If they are going to do well then they should build value, stay public and sell out when the time is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’ve watched in amazement as the internet bubble went to the moon with the entire world ignoring the history of technology stocks.&quot;

Yes, Mark, but I&#039;m sure you can give us 6 billion reasons why this worked out well for you.

GO MAVS!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve watched in amazement as the internet bubble went to the moon with the entire world ignoring the history of technology stocks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Mark, but I&#8217;m sure you can give us 6 billion reasons why this worked out well for you.</p>
<p>GO MAVS!</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Viering</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great info, thanks for the blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great info, thanks for the blog!</p>
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