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To me it is truly ridiculous for a former rebel and primadonna like Charles to feel he has the latitude to speak out and make an issue of the matter.I do not believe that the man has ever coached or managed a ball club nor has he been an owner.
Comment by runescape money -
You should be kicked off this site for even saying Kobe and Jason Terry in the same sentence. You sound as stupid as Sir Charles Barkley when he starts bashing Kobe in-reguards to him not passing the ball to his teammates when MJ did the same thing.
Comment by wow powerleveling -
Nice play by Stack-in the 3rd. On Shaq.—looks good for your great Dallas Image–Stop Crying.
Comment by michael gore -
Very goooood!!!!
Comment by whales -
TNT provides entertainment. Charles and Kenny provide great entertainment and their ridiculous comments spark conversation. We are here talking about them now. I would watch dry deep analysis of the game but im not sure my girlfriend would watch with me. She likes to watch K & C because they have fun and bring some character to the game.
On an entertainment level they are fantastic. On an anlysis level they suck. Lets agree that thier comments may not be well informed but thats not what they are paid to do. They are paid to get people talking and to watch TNT. Job well done.
Comment by Hornswaggled Education -
I don’t know how anyone can take the rubbish that comes out of Charlie Barkley’s mouth. He didn’t hesitate to rip into Dirk N. last year, yet this year he gives Dirk zero credit for his excellent series against the Spurs. What that bloated fool Barkley did say was that Dirk plays defense like he’s “6’3”. Really? 15 rebounds aren’t bad for being 6’3!
Barkley should just come out and admit that he hates white people. He doesn’t want to give Dirk any credit. Barkley is a loser, a choker in big moments. He has ALWAYS been full of excuses for his losing ways. He couldn’t even stick with the Sixers, he had to take an easier path in joining the Suns.
Barkley is also extremely jealous of Larry Bird. Again, to anyone who has heard “Sir Charles” *lol* over the years knows what I’m talking about.
He can’t speak English. Hell, he can’t even tie a tie. It is nausiating to listen to that moron.
What I love though, is that he NEVER won a championship. Only fitting. He should stick to what he does best: gambling and eating!
Dirk is a clutch player and will be a champion before he retires. Barkley, well, he loves his cheeseburgers and biased (anti-white) cheapshots.
Comment by Call em as I see em -
Charles Barkley is again offering unsolicited advice to Avery Johnson.
From Bill Simmons’ most recent ESPN column at http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060317 …
[For the most part, Nowitzki has solved the whole “Let’s guard him with a smaller guy!” idea, which started with T-Mac and the Rockets last spring. He’s been routinely killing anyone who tried this gimmick, with one exception: Bruce Bowen dismantled him two weeks ago, leading to Barkley saying, “You have to take a little man to the low post!” 530 times over the course of 10 minutes in TNT’s postgame show.]
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Comment by story -
Does anyone see the contradictions between the league and the anlaysts they employ? One thing I agreed with Charles on the other night during the Mavs half time was when he was talking about the Raptors have no pride because they allowed Kobe to score 55 in a half. He said something along the lines of needing to hard foul and put a body on him to keep him out of rhythm. I think thats smart basketball, but that’s where my 1st point comes up. The NBA wants to remove the “thug” image by making players on the SIDELINES dress professionally, but their commentators condone the hard foul which can easily be perceived as thuggish ON THE COURT. But then again, if you get rid of the hard fouls via ejections and suspensions, it makes it much easier for a player to score 81 which is exactly what the NBA wants to see happen more. Score, Score, Score.
My 2nd point is this and I really want Mark to answer it if you get around to reading this. I’m not too sure what kind of agreement the NBA has with its franchises when it nationally televises their games, but I imagine one of the benefits is global exposure for their team and players. I guess this could mean increased sales in apparrel, etc. Doesn’t that make what Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith say about the Mavs (especially since its inaccurate) slanderous? Maybe not in a legally actionable way, but definitely in a way that causes decreased respect for the team and consequently decreasing national interest in the players and products. If I am Mark Cuban I make a stance that while opinions are part of a commentators job, that they be supported by facts. When you say that the Mavs are a “terribe rebounding” team you should have stats in front of you showing them ranked near the bottom – instead you have a team that is ranked in the top 4 or 5 in rebounding yet CB still lets those biased lies stream from his mouth. When he says they don’t play defense, he’s overlooking they are ranked 1st in blocks per game. Are you kidding me? It’s a smear campaign and I don’t care for it.
Comment by J. Villadiego -
I hate to break it to you but, the FACT is, CB and Kenny were correct in so much as highlighting the Mavs inability to play shut-down defense. Don’t hate the messenger, hate the losses. They said what other teams already know. The Mavs are not built to play that type of defense. Don’t Hate…….
Thanks,
Comment by Gee Dubb -
Often I hear Barkley and Kenny call Mavs a soft team or call Dirk a marshmello. Just because they don’t make cheap shots on their opponents?! That’s just stupid! Although I did agree with Barkley for once; he made a comment on how Mavs should play againt Kobe Bryant after he “accidently” on purposely hit Dirk (come on! we all saw the reply on what “really” happened). Barkley does say something wisely every once in a bluemoon.
LOVE THE MAVS!!!!!
Comment by Noodle -
Often I hear Barkley and Kenny call Mavs a soft team or call Dirk a marshmello. Just because they don’t make cheap shots on their opponents?! That’s just stupid! Although I did agree with Barkley for once; he made a comment on how Mavs should play againt Kobe Bryant after he “accidently” on purposely hit Dirk (come on! we all saw the reply on what “really” happened). Barkley does say something wisely every once in a bluemoon.
LOVE THE MAVS!!!!!
Comment by Noodle -
Dear Mark,
I’m a huge Mav’s Fan, but I’m also realistic with my expectations. In all honesty, I did not expect to keep pace with other teams in the Western Conference after some of the early off-season moves, though I’ve been very impressed with the increased emphasis on defense and less of a push for the 3 pt shot.
I truly like what is happening with the team and the fact that Barkley and Kenny Smith continue to bash on the Mavericks, speaks to their inability to recognize the progress that Avery’s made with the team. To listen to Charles and Kenny speak about the Mavericks, you’d think every team in the NBA would be licking their chops at the opportunity to feast on their so called horribly soft defense. My question to Charles and Kenny would be…..if the Mav’s are so horribly soft on defense, then why is the NBA’s record against the Mav’s a miserable 7 wins and 21 losses?
So….Dear Charles and Kenny, “How does your NBA only manage a winning percentage of 25% (as of 12-26-05) against your idea of a horribly soft defense?”
Personally, I’m quite pleased with the efforts to improve on defense…defending the rim a little better, cutting off more of the passing lanes to the cutters, defending players without the ball including the point position, improvement in blocked shots, and better rebounding….to name a few. Good luck this year Mavs….remembering much of good luck is a product of hard work. Go Mavs!
David Laffiteau
Comment by David Laffiteau -
I know I’m coming to this late, but…. I think Kenny Smith at least is able to offer something of value when he’s not trying to plain straight man to the enlarged idiot next to him. Barkley? My God, when will he make an original commment, and stop retreading press clippings from 4 years ago? Think of some other memorable scoring accomplishments over the years. The recurring theme is that the scorer is always praised, while the opposing team is pretty much pushed aside. Barkley cannot let it go. Instead of focusing on the phenomenonal talent of Bryant (pains me to say that), Barkley takes another chance to criticize Dallas. The next game, after playing Sacramento, off the idiot goes again. Before the post game, I predicted to my wife that Barkley would slam the Mavericks for the Lakers game. Sure enough, like a trained obese puppy, he performed on cue. So, 2 nights later, he criticizes the Mavs for Bryants outburst, and, if memory serves me correctly, Dallas had just beaten Sacramento by 10 points. Can I please have a job as an expert analyst. I’m not as thin as I was in my younger days, I’m a quintessential smartass, and I’ve never won an NBA championship. I’m perfectly qualified for TNT’s crew. On second thought, I probably overqualified, because I have this thing about thinking for myself
Comment by David G -
Kevin Broom and Jely
Your points are well taken. However, Yea stats do matter but not in this case. Michael Jordan, which non-of you have mention yet??? He missed more than he has made. He even said as much in one of his Commercials.
Stop it with the Jason Terry thing. I thought i was blogging with People who know the NBA not Mav Fans who can’t see that Kobe is a better Player, Shooter and clutch shooter than Jason Terry. If you can’t admit that than there is no need for you to bring down Mr.Cuban Blog Site with this B.S.
Yea Rorlando Blackmon has a better jump shot than Michael Jordan but he’s not a better clutch shooter than M.J.!!! Dirk Nowitzki is a better Jump shooter than Kobe but Kobe is a better clutch shooter Period!!!
And in Essence that is what your saying and that is not true.
And as far as Kenny & Charles talkin, yes they can talk but that does not mean their right. On this Particular matter they are wrong.
Especailly, when Hakeem,Horry and Sam Cassell took the clutch shots for Houston instead of Kenny by the way.
Lastly, I guest Jason Terry is a better Clutch shooter than Reggie Miller by Stats Right???
You guys are a Joke and i will not talk basketball with you anymore.
JB
Comment by Jason B. -
Stats are an extremely relevant way to analyze a basketball game….but they are far from dispositive….you have to look to the many factors that drive the stats…intangible things (like pressure, high stakes, emotions) that experienced NBA vets can grasp and internet bloggers (who want to claim an understanding of a game they could never execute) will never have the ability to comprehend…also stats can always be befuddled with more stats…for instance the Kobe clutch thing…how many more shots did he take than Terry in the clutch?…how many times was he double teamed?…how often was he doing it in a meaningful game?..against the other teams best defender?…
Face facts…Kenny and Charles can talk because they played the game…and internet bloggers like myself just get to sit back and wish we could….
Comment by Jely -
this guy just proves kenny and charles’ point. not only does detroit have the type of big men that are quick and defensively sound enough to switch out on a pick and roll, they waited until the end of the game to switch their strat. 3+ quarters of not switching, then hit them with it in the last 8 minutes. it’s an adjustment, and phoenix could not do anything to counter it. tell me, would you rather have ben/rasheed wallace switching on nash, or nowitzki/damp/diop. there’s not even a comparison. detroit has players committed to defense, while dallas is a team of offensive jump shooters trying to adjust to a defensive oriented coach. the comparisons are just not valid.
Comment by Lee Majors -
Umm, why shouldn’t we use stats to measure clutch shooting? Yeah, Kobe’s made some clutch shots in his career. Maybe he’s not as good now. Maybe through selective memory, we remember those amazing plays, but forget clutch misses. The stats in this case tell us what happens when a guy takes a shot in a certain situation. Why shouldn’t we use that information?
Comment by Kevin Broom -
Your comments: You don’t judge Kobe bryant’s clutch shooting by stats. Next to Michael Jordan & Robert Horry, Kobe has been the best clutch shooters in the NBA. And you compare him to Jason Terry? Come on!!! I like Jason Terry a lot but i want Kobe shooting the last shot to win a game before Terry any day. Kobe has been Ice-cold in Sac-town, San Antone, New Jersey, Philly and that’s just the finals and playoffs arenas.
And let’s not talk about hitting the game winning shot against Denver twice and once while on trail for Rape. Jason Terry just started to find himself in this league. I remember when he was slumming in Atlanta and didn’t even have a chance to hit a game winner.
So enough with compairing those two.
You should be kicked off this site for even saying Kobe and Jason Terry in the same sentence. You sound as stupid as Sir Charles Barkley when he starts bashing Kobe in-reguards to him not passing the ball to his teammates when MJ did the same thing. Who played with Michael before Pippen & Paxson & Grant got there besides Orlando Woolridge???
I’ll tell you who: Billy Mckinney, Gene Banks, Quintin Dailey, Charles Oakley , Dave Corzine, Jawann Oldham, Steve Johnson, Sidney Green, rod Higgins , Kyle Macy, Mike Smrek,Aubrey Sherrod , Adrian Branch and David Greenwood.
Yea i know…Who???
But Charles Bark forgot when Michael went for 63 points in the Boston Garden in the playoffs and still lost 135-131. Yea, i am sure David Greenwood could have hit a couple of shots over Larry Bird or even Kevin Mchale right. MJ went for 63 because just like Kobe he does not have anyone that can hit a shot on a consistent basis. And don’t start on Lamar Odom!!!
Talk to me when you and charles get your Kobe facts Straight.
Comment by Jason B. -
The guy at 82games said that Kobe isn’t clutch. I’m not a Kobe fan, but it looks like he was clutch last night hitting the game winning three from behind the scorer’s table with no time left.
Comment by Ron -
To Kenny “i wish i were as good as JET” Smith and Charles “mmmmmmmmmmm donuts” Barkley I must ask, did the Mavs win the game in Phoenix? Or in Miami? or beat the World Champ San Antonio Spurs and almost win the second game? How did they do in Indiana? Or Memphis? And without that ridiculous 3 by Kobe (I hate’em, but that was a pretty shot) they would have beat LA. Granted the mavs arent the best defensive team in the league, but when you throttle teams left and right and hold most of them to around 93pts, I think your doing pretty well. Will the Mavs win a title? Perhaps. Perhaps Not. But when all you do is babble on about the same thing for 2 years and give no respect to one of the top 3 teams in the West, you tend to come across as tired and a little pathetic. Hopefully fans will start to turn off the pre/post game show and maybe they can find new morons to fill their chairs. oh, and Craig Sager can kiss all of our collective asses as well.
Oh and Mr. Cuban, whats the possibility of getting ch 27 to brodcast games in HD? I know HDNET is where theyre shown, but i dont have a dish, but I do get 27-1 and Id love to get Mavs in HD.
Comment by Andrew -
The analysis by the guy on 82games is great. However, that’s just one game. Even so, I think evryone missed what Kenny and Charles were really getting at. As a team you can play the same defense evrytime. Though in today’s game I don’t think that most of these young players know the game well enough to know what teams are doing against them. However, I do believe that the coaches will figure it out quickly. Once they figure out that you are playing things a certain way the good coaches (Larry Brown, Rick Carlisle, Greg Popovich) will find a way to exploit it.
I’ll give the Mavs credit. They are playing some of the best defense they’ve ever played. They have the right coach, and some of the young players are buying into how he wants to play. Now, if you could get your best player (Dirk) to play some real defense, I would consider this team a real title contender. They do have the talent to pull it off. This coming from a non Maverick fan.
Comment by Ron -
The only thing this proves is that you have to have the last word. Bravo.
Comment by G Meyers -
OK, by qualifying your statement by saying you “love” Charles and Kenny…who is guilty of kissing up nere? Not to bother or be bothered though…and its Chris…not Cris,at least spell it right, thank you James.PS; I am a life long Celtics fan,since the heydays of the sixties when the MAN in town was Johnny Most…the biggest kiss-up and homer in the history of sports. He was great nonetheless and the C’s management these days must have him rolling in the grave.They couldn’t find a center if he stepped on their necks…By the way,local stations are going more and more to syndicated shows and have barely any time for a real local take.
Comment by Chris McCoy -
Good Kiss up Cris, I love Charles and Kenny,and wish we had some around on our local stations but all these guys have to say is what the fans want to hear and not make the teams mad or they might not get another interview. TNT does not have to deal with that and don’t have to Kiss Up.
Comment by James -
It struck me funny the other day when I was checking out the blog of Mark Cuban,self-made tech entrepreneur and intensely involved NBA teamowner..(the Dallas Mavericks).The topic was a matter of some criticsm that Charles Barkley and partner had regarding the
tactics of the Mavs coaching and game strategy. To me it is truly ridiculous for a former rebel and primadonna like Charles to feel he has the latitude to speak out and make an issue of the matter.I do not believe that the man has ever coached or managed a ball club nor has he been an owner.Mr.Cuban has been a breath of fresh air in the ranks of team owners in any sport, and should get kudos for the resurrection of the Dallas NBA franchise. That is my take…end message.
Big Chris
Comment by Chris McCoy -
Mark,
Maybe you could post some details as to how you came about buying the Mavericks?
Did you get a good deal?
I would also be interested in what is in store for HDNET.
Comment by Eric Engen -
Mark,
Maybe you could post some details as to how you came about buying the Mavericks?
Did you get a good deal?
I would also be interested in what is in store for HDNET.
Comment by Eric Engen -
You don’t judge Kobe bryant’s clutch shooting by stats. Next to Michael Jordan & Robert Horry, Kobe has been the best clutch shooters in the NBA. And you compare him to Jason Terry? Come on!!! I like Jason Terry a lot but i want Kobe shooting the last shot to win a game before Terry any day. Kobe has been Ice-cold in Sac-town, San Antone, New Jersey, Philly and that’s just the finals and playoffs arenas.
And let’s not talk about hitting the game winning shot against Denver twice and once while on trail for Rape. Jason Terry just started to find himself in this league. I remember when he was slumming in Atlanta and didn’t even have a chance to hit a game winner.
So enough with compairing those two.
You should be kicked off this site for even saying Kobe and Jason Terry in the same sentence. You sound as stupid as Sir Charles Barkley when he starts bashing Kobe in-reguards to him not passing the ball to his teammates when MJ did the same thing. Who played with Michael before Pippen & Paxson & Grant got there besides Orlando Woolridge???
I’ll tell you who: Billy Mckinney, Gene Banks, Quintin Dailey, Charles Oakley , Dave Corzine, Jawann Oldham, Steve Johnson, Sidney Green, rod Higgins , Kyle Macy, Mike Smrek,Aubrey Sherrod , Adrian Branch and David Greenwood.
Yea i know…Who???
But Charles Bark forgot when Michael went for 63 points in the Boston Garden in the playoffs and still lost 135-131. Yea, i am sure David Greenwood could have hit a couple of shots over Larry Bird or even Kevin Mchale right. MJ went for 63 because just like Kobe he does not have anyone that can hit a shot on a consistent basis. And don’t start on Lamar Odom!!!
Talk to me when you and charles get your Kobe facts Straight.
Comment by Jason B. -
You don’t judge Kobe bryant’s clutch shooting by stats. Next to Michael Jordan & Robert Horry, Kobe has been the best clutch shooters in the NBA. And you compare him to Jason Terry? Come on!!! I like Jason Terry a lot but i want Kobe shooting the last shot to win a game before Terry any day. Kobe has been Ice-cold in Sac-town, San Antone, New Jersey, Philly and that’s just the finals and playoffs arenas.
And let’s not talk about hitting the game winning shot against Denver twice and once while on trail for Rape. Jason Terry just started to find himself in this league. I remember when he was slumming in Atlanta and didn’t even have a chance to hit a game winner.
So enough with compairing those two.
You should be kicked off this site for even saying Kobe and Jason Terry in the same sentence. You sound as stupid as Sir Charles Barkley when he starts bashing Kobe in-reguards to him not passing the ball to his teammates when MJ did the same thing. Who played with Michael before Pippen & Paxson & Grant got there besides Orlando Woolridge???
I’ll tell you who: Billy Mckinney, Gene Banks, Quintin Dailey, Charles Oakley , Dave Corzine, Jawann Oldham, Steve Johnson, Sidney Green, rod Higgins , Kyle Macy, Mike Smrek,Aubrey Sherrod , Adrian Branch and David Greenwood.
Yea i know…Who???
But Charles Bark forgot when Michael went for 63 points in the Boston Garden in the playoffs and still lost 135-131. Yea, i am sure David Greenwood could have hit a couple of shots over Larry Bird or even Kevin Mchale right. MJ went for 63 because just like Kobe he does not have anyone that can hit a shot on a consistent basis. And don’t start on Lamar Odom!!!
Talk to me when you and charles get your Kobe facts Straight.
Comment by Jason B. -
After browsing through the Maverick stats from that site I can’t understand why Diop isn’t starting in place of Dampier. Maybe the huge contract was a mistake but forget about saving face and put the best player in the game. He’s had plenty of time to step up and hasn’t.
Comment by Brandon Johnson -
Jim nailed it.
Comment by scott -
Look, the facts are I don’t even watch the TNT crew anymore. They just started reading about how important they are and now they don’t even watch the games…it’s just painfully obvious. They are just recycling the majority of analysis that they did 4 years ago. Ridiculous..
My point is why are we going to Charles Barkley on how to win a championship anyway??? He didn’t win a state championship in high school, no NC in college (or even an SEC championship) and certainly no NBA championship. Yes, he won a Gold Medal in the Olympics, but you could have taken all 5’9″, 200 pounds of whiteness that is myself, made me play 20 minutes a game, and the Dream Team would have still won every game by 30.
That show has gone from being my favorite post game show to a complete joke…they forgot that the show is still about the NBA games and they are the sideline…not the other way around.
Comment by Jim -
Interesting collection of opinions. Personally, I don’t like to see my Mavs dismissed as contenders just because they don’t play thug ball. I do think Avery is moving in the right direction, their emphasis on defense is paying off, and if not this year, it’s coming. Really.
Comment by Johnny McIntosh -
Kenny and Charles do a very good job of talking basketball and giving their opinions on what they feel is happening on the court. They also provide great entertainment value compared to Greg Anthony and Tim Legler. 82games.com is an awesome website and is the on the brink of a statistical breakthrough in basketball. With all that being said, I feel Charles’ philosophy on the pick and roll is similar to alot of coaches. It does create matchup problems if you switch every pick and roll. However, one of the problems of not switching a pick and roll is the point guard gets an open jumper or the big man rolls for a layup if the hedge is bad or the guard gets caught on the screen. Switching takes away those two immediate options but leaves you vulnerable to being scored upon later in the play. I think it depends on your personnel, opponents personnel, and the time left on the shot clock/game clock. There is no right answer every single time to defending the pick and roll. I beleive hedging works the best on the college level but in the NBA centers seem to be either to slow or lazy to get out there and give a good hedge which leaves the point guard on an island. I’m actually interested to see research done by 82games.com to show which strategy works best statistically over the course of say an entire season.
Ronny J
Comment by Ronny J -
I have never seen tnt and never heard of Kenny and Charles but they seem very funny im gonna try and watch them sometime.
Comment by mark chubb -
Hey fans,
Let’s not forget that this whole beef started over these “idiots” saying that the mavericks couldn’t defend pick and rolls. You guys have taken it way too far, analyzing the effects of modern technology on America, talking about some horse delivery, and such.
This is basketball, these two “idiots” are fairly educated on the subject. This isn’t about technology, it’s about basketball.
Marshall
Comment by Marshall -
Charles and Kenny aren’t all that bad. They are FAR from being perfect, but at least they are entertaining. As much as I would love to listen to a real statistician give the pregame/half-time/postgame analysis, it’s probably not going to happen anytime soon. TNT obviously employed these guys simply because they have reputations as retired pros. In other words, it’s solely for the ratings and nothing more. Furthermore, most retired players who make brilliant analyst usually end up on the sidelines.
Comment by Kevin -
Kenny and Charles are very entertaining, and I always watch TNT because of them and their personalities. The other networks are boring. Plus when they have Magic on it makes it even better. Keep up the good work guys.
Comment by Ruth Conner -
I’ve stopped watching TNT pregame, halftime and postgame because I’m tired of listening to ignorant, biased analysts.
Kenny, you’re bad. Charles, you’re worse.
You’re schtick has gotten old, and so have you.
Comment by scott -
Of course fans want to kick back with a beer and enjoy the game. But, Kenny & Charles aren’t fans, they’re paid ANALYSTS. Yep, they’re supposed to entertain as well, but their job is to analyze the action and offer informed opinions — not spout off some stuff based on preconceived notions.
Comment by Kevin Broom -
Re: Post 8 by Jason
i disagree, while i enjoy watching a game and drinking a beer, i would rather sit with the guy from 82 games over cb or kennyany day. i’m the guy that pulls the stats to prove some one wrong when they throw hot sports opinions out there without any research. .
here’s the deal IMO. when you are a passionate fan, one who can spit out the team record, the next five games opponents, the team roster, their jersey number, their college, and do it without any thought on cue, you are offended when you hear someone who is not a passionate fan talk about your team. even if they talk about the league in whole you will be offended. this is your league or team and you dont watch it enough or given it a chance to have an opinion. you cant say a movie sucks if you havent seen it for yourself.
these guys stating opinions with no research are the same the guys on the couch, overweight and out of shape who says, come on make the FT i can make a free throw. No you cant. Maybe in your back yard on a the crooked 9 and half foot goal, but not after 25 minutes of grind it out basketball in front of thousands of fans and millions more watching…
passionate fans vs. casual fans. kenny and CB are casual fans who happen to work in the industry.
my thoughts,
Luis
http://www.miaspartyrentals.com
Comment by Luis -
How do you calculate a player’s stats when he is double teamed? vs a zone defense? vs man to man? who is the player defending him?
What are the players’ stats against a top ten ranked team? vs a lower tier team?
How are stats when a player has foul trouble? How are stats when he is playing a different position PG vs SG?
Road Games? Back to Back Games? 5th game of 5 game Road trip vs 2nd game of 5 game home stand?
I like the 82game site and Knickerbocker stat sites. I love statistics.
I just feel that there are many more factors that can determine statistics.
For Example:
How can Joe Johnson and Al HArrington’s Stats even be compared to the rest of the NBA players. They are the sole focus of the opponents defense every game. They have no Center. The team is out rebounded every night. Hawks always have less block shots and less FT attempts than opponents. The two guys have no help, no one to give them assists and no one for them to feed. Given that it is a team game I believe individual stats, although important, is not as important as TEAM CHEMISTRY and TEAM defense.
All Players know how to Shoot,pass, rebound, jump etc…I believe its how well the players do within the teams system.(Diaw in Phoenix, Jamison last year in Washington, Derek Fisher with Lakers vs today, etc…)
Just my TWO CENTS
Comment by Thomas Renna -
I thought I knew a lot about basketball strategy. I’ve definitely seen the Spurs utilize that strategy of the “hedge,” but didn’t know there was an actual name for it. That article was very informative.
You’re right, these analysts should incorporate more about strategy and how the game is played. I sometimes wonder what plays the coaches are calling from the sidelines.
Comment by Adam -
Mark obviously you are a smart guy and I think you made your point but I have a point I’d like to make. I think one reason you’re so rich compared to other people is you are not the same as them and I think you might be forgetting that a little bit here.
Not everyone is as detail obsessed and analytical as you are. I think alot of fans like to sit back, have a beer, watch the game and listen to Charles and Kenny almost like they are in the same room with them chating casually. If I was going to a game I’d much rather sit with Charles and listen to his ‘entertaining’ commments than sit with that geek (no disrespect intended) from 82 games.com breaking down every thing perfectly. I have enough details to worry about in life basketball is a diversion and I want the fun and entertainment part emphasized and the mind numbing details minimized somewhat. From your point of view it must be annoying listening to commentators that seem to misrepresent what’s truly happening on the court but the fact is I have eyes for myself and really it’s not about you and your coaches and players getting perfect credit for exactly what’s happening on the court, it’s about your customers and what they want. I see announcers make mistakes all the time and while it sucks for the players the whole point is to entertain and I don’t want entertaining announcers replaced by geeks that can tell me the exact success rates for pick and rolls from every spot on the court.
Comment by Jason -
Here’s a hot stat I don’t think any sports commentators have mentioned yet – the Mavs have finally won one on the second night of a back to back. Is it fatigue this early in the season or what?
Go Mavs
Comment by M C -
I rank 82games.com above just about every segment of hoops media. Anyone can do a little research on that site and learn all kinds of interesting facts.
Check out this odd fact: Kobe Bryant is a HORRIBLE clutch shooter. What? Is that correct? Well, just go to the stats:
(4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points)
KOBE BRYANT
Year – Clutch FG%
06 – .306
05 – .324
04 – .396
03 – .396
Let’s compare him to “Ice” Terry
JASON TERRY
06 – .476
05 – .613 (with an eFG% of .710!!!)
04 – .378
03 – .452
OK, let’s let Charles the idiot think he knows hoops. I’ll stick with 82games.com
Comment by greg -
Figures lie and liars figure. The question isn’t whether DETROIT should switch, it’s whether DALLAS should switch in that situation. yes, K & C’s comments about “teams that switch can’t play defense” was dumb. But the key to the whole thing is “should Dallas have switched against Pheonix.”
That isn’t answered by this guy’s analysis. He just says something you like and you use it.
Publish your charts for how Dallas has performed when switching against the Pick & Roll, specifically how they performed against Pheonix in that game. Back up your assertions with facts, not just figures for a totally different matchup.
Comment by Jason -
Sure Kenny and Charles are ignorant. Sure they made the most short-cited-uninformed comment. They still are helluva lot more entertaining than Greg Anthony and Legler at ESPN. But yeah, they should get their facts straight.
Comment by Achin -
Mark-
Maybe you should print off Kevin’s post you linked and sent it via fax. Better yet Sir Charles is still living in the Dark Ages so you should likely have it printed on a scroll and delivered by a rider on horseback.
And the whole ‘I love Mark Cuba but…’ statements make them both more idiots each time they preface a short-cited-uninformed comment. I challenge CB and Kenny tear down their ‘boxes’ built on experience in the NBA and think outside of the box for once. Their ignorance of technology and new perspective spreads through this country via TNT lowering the quality of life in this country. Technology and new energy overturn old world views everyday in every industry. CB and Kenny’s justification of their views or actions because it has been done one way for X years does not make their opinion correct. Their opinion is horribly biased. Kevin illustrated how nicely technology and math deliver unbiased conclusions from facts. TNT step up and bring some change to your studio analysts. These cartoon-character-veterans you dress up in gangster suits only insult your audience.
Thank you,
Thirty7
Comment by thirty7 -
Mark-
Maybe you should print off Kevin’s post you linked and sent it via fax. Better yet Sir Charles is still living in the Dark Ages so you should likely have it printed on a scroll and delivered by a rider on horseback.
And the whole ‘I love Mark Cuba but…’ statements make them both more idiots each time they preface a short-cited-uninformed comment. I challenge CB and Kenny tear down their ‘boxes’ built on experience in the NBA and think outside of the box for once. Their ignorance of technology and new perspective spreads through this country via TNT lowering the quality of life in this country. Technology and new energy overturn old world views everyday in every industry. CB and Kenny’s justification of their views or actions because it has been done one way for X years does not make their opinion correct. Their opinion is horribly biased. Kevin illustrated how nicely technology and math deliver unbiased conclusions from facts. TNT step up and bring some change to your studio analysts. These cartoon-character-veterans you dress up in gangster suits only insult your audience.
Thank you,
Thirty7
Comment by thirty7 -